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  • #14347


    Yes, I will “knock it off”, if I want to avoid you doing something, that in my estimation, would be rash.

    Yes, I do realize that my opinion most likely means little to nothing to you as you make decisions concerning keeping peace as you see it on this board.

    Did you really take notice of what was being communicated in the interplay of communications you are shutting down, or did you simply perceive disharmony, and then act to prevent it?

    A growing trend now days is for those in power positions, no matter how minuscule, to be evermore proactive in order to attempt to head off discord. Both those on the left and those on the right are moving in this direction. People are being openly accused of thought crime for their points of view, as such thoughts are perceived to be precursors to discord. An untoward word or phrase, an inappropriate expression at the wrong time, and the heavy hand of authority comes down to head off what is perceived to be growing disharmony.

    This type of exercise of power teaches, and ensures a low level of moral development in the subject population. It prevents them from developing the skills necessary to self-regulate in the absence of the power figure. It only teaches them to obey, under threat of force. Great stuff for authoritarian, totalitarian systems of governance.

    Now, I feel sure that you think I am taking this way too far, and you should dismiss everything I say as some sort of raving, but realize this; everything starts as something small, then eventually grows into something big. How we deport ourselves on this little forum adds to the totality of what will be accepted as the social structure of America.

    I find it ironic that people who regulate conservative forums ofttimes act as horrific authoritarians, little dictators of their tiny kingdoms, saying it is absolutely necessary in the interests of keeping order, all the while extolling the virtues of freedom, self-determination, and the moral superiority of the American form of governance. They never see the hypocrisy of their actions, and will ban anyone who dares to point it out.

    I think this, in my opinion, this sort of misuse of the exercise of power, is the result of lack of time, skill and often just laziness, it being much quicker and easier to simply smack down dissent, unapproved behavior, or thought, than to communicate to reach understanding and accord.


  • #14342


    “Fortunately for me, as a former Intelligence Analyst, I know how to read between the lines, read differing views, and formulate my own analysis and conclusions.”

    Maybe so, I’ll take you at your word, but the vast majority do not have the training you have, although they too believe that they have the same skills to discern truth from fiction, see through the fog of distortion.

    Nobody is completely immune to the influence of the constant propaganda, the purposeful subtle distortions, it is a matter of degree.

    I observe people who self-identify as conservative who accept parts of the leftist agenda without thinking, especially PC thought, and strenuously deny any influence in that regard. The incremental nature of the efforts, through time, is effective at changing peoples thoughts in subtle ways, building gradually. Only in retrospect do the changes become starkly evident.

    The efforts to influence thought through manipulation of information works very well, and people like you who see more realistically do not matter to any degree. The converted, the convinced, the deluded, will deny your point of view in favor of their own, the official approved one, and if you do start accruing too much influence, start convincing too wide of an audience, you will be made ineffective, silenced somehow ……. maybe child porn will magically appear on your computer, at just the right time.


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  • #14341


    “Do you believe everything that is posted on Wikipedia?”

    No, and I also am aware that there are other factors that effect the economy regarding entitlement programs.

    Do you believe that the Cloward-Piven strategy is not part of the overall strategy of the neo-marxists, rather just an interesting concept of academics?

  • #14301


    The Cloward-Piven strategy is moving apace. The socialist/Marxist utopia is just around the corner, just need to collapse the economy first.


  • #14305


    Rainmaker sez, “Thank god I don’t have your imagination!”

    Imagination is what differentiates us from other animals to a large degree. Without it we would not be stimulated to accomplish the vast numbers of things that we do.

    The bovine and porcine animals have little to no imagination, therefore they are not stimulated to desire more than basic biological needs. We utilize them for food, among other things.

    So, you are overjoyed to live with a paucity of imagination, how interesting, perhaps you should rethink that.

  • #14303



    All governments need to control the “narrative” in order to control the information available to the people under their control.

    You think within the parameters of what you know, obviously. Whoever controls the information available to you, in effect controls your thinking.

    Those wielding power can only allow the illusion of free thought, self-determination, all the while controlling the information flow, and therefore what information is available to people for their though formation, and to influence their actions based upon same.

    All governments, all seemingly different political parties have the same need, and resort to the same tactics. They need to control the people, and the most effective way to do this is through controlling the information flow to heavily influence the thinking of most everyone. Some are better at it than others, but they all do it.

    The internet is the predominant information source for people in western cultures, and in an ever growing number of other cultures. Control of the information flow on the internet is critical to control of the various populations.

    The surveillance/police state is the perceived necessary governmental form of the future, with a carefully maintained illusion of democracy etc by the constant control of information.

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  • #14152



    Rainmaker, why are you in the middle of the countryside unprepared for such an eventuality? Why are you so lacking in skills that you find yourself lost? Why do you phrase your reply to us as to employ passive aggressive mockery?

    You would expend a good bit of time and energy to build a cow dung and mud joke of a filter, and in would be completely ineffective in protecting you from possible pathogens. You must enjoy deluding yourself with such worthless endeavors.

    Alright enough.

    If you had access to clay, and you really wanted to go to the trouble, why not build a large pot, fire it, (you have practiced this skill beforehand right?) then fill it with contaminated water. Then place non sedimentary rock (you do know how to recognize such, right?) in the fire until they get extremely hot, then pick them up with wooden tongs, (you have made such things, right?) then place them in the clay pot of water. keep heating rocks, putting them into the water, removing  and reheating them, putting them back in the water, until the water reaches boiling. This really works, it’s called, appropriately, stone boiling. The American Indians did this.

    By the time you do this, or the joke in the video, you will have passed out from thirst and heat, then the ants and other insects will come and eat your eyes out. Then when, or if you come to your senses, you will experience staggering about in confusion until some other disastrous thing befalls you to end your suffering ……sort of like I imagine how you are going through life now.

    Look, don’t be rude when you want people to help you with this sort of thing. I can be rude also, and it doesn’t help things does it? Rather it just gets you irritated, but isn’t the point of being here to learn useful prepping and survival strategies rather then irritate and be irritated in return?


  • #13902


    For James, and anyone else who thinks firearms will never fail, please read this thread.


    This article also, with pictures of parts failures.


    This only addresses AR type rifles, but assuredly all firearms have failures.

  • #13905


    This is not a good idea for an actual water filter, a prefilter maybe, but not an effective pathogen filter.

    It is an attempt at making a ceramic filter from gathered materials in the field. There is no way to determine the pore size, some could be tiny, others large. A ceramic filter must have consistent pore size, such that it can filter out pathogens with at least a 99.99 % accuracy, as tested in a lab. The doulton ceramic filters are an example of ceramic filters that are tested to work consistently.


    Attempting to replicate this technology with a handful of clay and cow crap is a very good way to get sick.

  • #13654


    Nameles sez ………..

    “Be grateful that combat is not the finishing school you have graduated from.”


    How ironic that you lecture me with that statement. You assume so much, and know so little of who you address. Please, allow me to tell you a bit about myself, perhaps it will help.

    I am sixty seven years old, a Vietnam combat veteran. I served with Hco. 75th Infantry, Rangers, attached to the first cav division, first at firebase bearcat, then at Bien Hoa Army/Airbase. We operated as six man teams, ambush warfare utilizing claymore mines. Over 50% of the whole first cav’s kills came from us, and we never had more than six teams in the field at once, that’s 36 people. We were very effective at our job.

    I had an infantry MOS and a medical MOS, was airborne qualified also.

    When I came back from VN I was a bit weird, I liked to frequent the biker bars just to get into fights with them. You didn’t have to try to start fights with those people, as they would always do that themselves. Loud Harleys, leather jackets, lots of alcohol and other drugs, does not a tough guy make. It was laughable how easy it was to beat the living crap out of those outlaw bikers.

    I got married, I changed, she saved my life, I love her and am forever grateful for the efforts she made to bring me back …… god knows I was a bastard and a sonofabitch to live with.

    It was after VN that I got involved in martial arts, so no, combat was not my finishing school, it was my beginning in earnest. I have never stopped. I still work out every other day with weights, still practice with blades, sticks, and firearms, and unarmed. It hurts, because I am old and kind of busted up, but I feel it is necessary. I never want to die because I punked out, got fat, went stupid, or sank into the morass of denial and justification.

    Nameles sez ………

    “Have you ever killed something with a blade? The places you strike at to kill inside a body cavity suck in blades and make pulling it out a bitch it get out and body fluids make the handle slick”

    No, I never killed anybody with a blade, but I did disable two people in separate instances with a blade. One, stepped out and grabbed his right wrist with my right hand as he swung at me, then sliced his right deltoid muscle nearly in two wielding the knife in my left hand, disabling his arm entirely ……. fight over. Two, crazed billybobs run me and my buddy off the road, we climb out of the ditch and are immediately attacked by billybob number one, he was on amphetamines and whiskey, hits me in the right temple very fast, I go for his gut with my knife, he swings with his right, I cut his arm from wrist to inside elbow to the bone, incredible amount of arterial blood spray, opponent disabled, fight over. That fool almost died from blood loss, and I was lucky he didn’t. I talked to the cops about it and they said forget it, the whole family is psycho, we hope they all die.

    So no, I haven’t killed anybody with a knife, but I did shoot a man in the head, twice, with a 1911 colt 45 at about 20 feet because my Russian PPS jammed …….. OMG weapon failure, glad I had a backup. This is an example of the POS that almost got me killed.

    I also killed a VC with that same PPS from about 30 feet. It is an open bolt fired weapon, just full auto, thirty five round magazine, with an astounding muzzle flash, huge, fry the enemy at point blank range, kidding.

    I don’t mind talking about these things, as I have nothing to be ashamed of. You do realize, shit happens, some people live, some people die, and I intend to live. Another aside, a lot of fake veterans around now, and one thing I have experienced them doing is hinting at terrible combat experiences, that they just cannot talk about, brings on flashbacks, scares the women and children, that sort of thing. Bool sheet, they don’t talk about it because that would expose them as fakes to real combat veterans. Then there are real veterans who saw no combat, but really want to get in on the nauseating veteran worship that is so popular now, everybody wants to be seen as some kind of hero. Puke. So they inflate their experiences, but just can’t bring themselves to talk about it, especially to actual combat veterans. I despise liars, and especially despise fake or exaggerating veterans.

    By the way, about that knife sticking in people, no, not unless it is jammed in bone or cartilage, and anyway, why do you want to pull it out after going to all the trouble of getting it in? I think to produce the worst/best wound I would roto-root it around in them as hard as I could before trying to pull it out, to ensure as much tissue damage as possible.

    Enough of that, I will get to the point of all this arguing here on this thread.

    I think you, and many others have invested way too heavily in firearms as the be all, do all of self defense weapons. Whether this is because they are so effective, so easy, or because it is more difficult and frightening to employ anything lessor, or bare handed, the attitude has spread to many, if not most people, to the point that they are contemptuous of anything else. Sound familiar? This is putting all one’s eggs into one basket, concerning a critical aspect of survival, self defense/offense.

    I think that when I bring up my thoughts on this matter it threatens people, threatens their sense of security in their dependency on firearms, and so they strenuously deny the validity of anything I might say on the matter, no matter how logical it may be. This is insanity, myopic in the extreme, deadly in its ramifications. How many other aspects of prepping/survivalism do you not have any backup, any plan B to fall back on if plan A fails for whatever reason? Dang, do you only carry one lighter because you are sure it will always light? Do you only have one knife because it is magic, unbreakable, and you just know you will never lose it?

    Self defense is by definition a life or death situation, why no plan B,C,D,E,F, etc, take too much effort, or just too deep in denial?

    Another thing, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining ……. crude, but communicates the point well.

    It is entirely possible that we can get along.

  • #13642


    James sez …….
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    “Sticks?  Get a grip!  How about a pocket full of rocks?  Will that do?

    Whoeveryouare, my firearms are NOT going to fail.  Not during my lifetime nor that of my children.  SMH.”


    I would like to think you are joking with this post, but I think you truly believe what you said.

    The first sentence you attempt to mock me. You simply show your own ignorance. Do you know anything about fighting with sticks? I seriously doubt it. I do know something about stick fighting, short sticks, long sticks, most any size stick. I got my short, four foot bo staff out the other day and went through a routine with it, hadn’t forgotten a thing. You do realize that the term stick can mean anything from a pencil sized piece of wood up to a six foot bo staff, and the wood can be oak, hickory, anything dense and strong. Sticks break bones, including skulls, and they are very fast to employ.

    Rocks, fighting with rocks? Certainly, if that is all I had. I’ll discuss the merits of that after you get hit in the head with a fist sized rock from out of the shadows. Perhaps the experience would alter your perspective.

    The second sentence, oh boy, that is one of the more ignorant statements I have read on the internet. It’s also arrogant, but speaking definitively from ignorance often results in arrogance.

    So your firearms are not going to fail, for at least two generations, you are sure of that. I would ask, how can you know that, how can you be so sure? Why do firearms manufacturers even make spare parts? Why are there armorers in every military and law enforcement agency in the entire world?

    Nothing is perfect, no machine, despite our best efforts is perfect. Machines break down, and need to be repaired, replacement parts installed. Good maintenance minimizes the occurrence of failure, but it does not eliminate it.

    For any firearm, one should have a stock of spare parts, at least for those parts most likely to fail, and the knowledge and tools to utilize them. Maintenance supplies should also be stocked in abundance.

    Then there is ammunition. The firearm is dependent upon ammunition to be effective. Ammunition is not perfect despite our best efforts. A defective round can cause a jam = firearm failure.

    When you make statements like the ones in your post, you illustrate to me that you are ignorant of certain knowledge you will need to survive. I don’t see you as a bad person for having a strong opinion, no matter it being derived from ignorance, but if you refuse to learn, out of misplaced pride, embarrassment, or anger, then I will see you as willfully ignorant, a fool.

    SMH, really?

    Shake your head all you want, it will just make you dizzy, not informed.



  • #13437


    Thanks Crow Bar, interesting subject matter. It is not new, but it is helpful that people understand these things.

    Something to consider, if the enemy understands your culture, how you think, how you value things, he can anticipate how you will react utilizing the ooda-loop strategy, and thereby set an effective trap.

    I have observed how law enforcement reacts to various situations, with little variation, and patterns of behavior emerge as to law enforcement culture, how they think, react, the hierarchy of value to them. I could imagine someone so inclined could attempt a much more exacting study with evil intent, and easily create deadly traps in given scenarios. I would think that military leaders should inform themselves, as much as possible, concerning the possible opponent’s culture, in all its aspects, for just this reason.

    The ooda-loop is useful to understand, as a beginning.

  • #13433



    It never ceases to amaze me how people can avoid addressing something they cannot accept, instead simply reinforcing flawed logic to justify an untenable position.

    To reiterate the original concept: firearms are limited machines, subject to mechanical failure, loss, lack of ammunition.

    Knowledge and skills are not subject to these effects, barring brain damage or crippling, and in that case the firearm would be relatively useless also.

    If one relies solely on firearms, lacks other skills to accomplish the same aims, and loses the effectiveness of said firearm(s), then one is left with nothing other than flight, surrender, or unskilled, ineffectual resistance while unarmed or attempting to utilize improvised weapons.

    It should not be that difficult to comprehend that position/argument, unless of course you simply will not, or cannot address it rationally.

    You seem to take the position that fighting without the benefit of firearms is futile unless one can accomplish and maintain some sort of mythical ninja level of competence. This is an absolutely false position to assume as fact. A basic level of accomplishment can ofttimes be the difference between prevailing and failure. Being an expert is great, but some level of training and confidence is better than none.

    I think you know these things, but you do not want to accept them as factual. You would rather deny the entire possibility that anyone less than expert could survive a fight without a firearm.

    You illustrate well what I said about denial and justification of same. I would hope that others who read this thread could entertain the possibility of defending themselves with something short of a chaingun and a boxcar full of ammo. Maybe a kitchen knife, or an axe handle, or a hammer, or about a million other common objects that can be utilized as weapons with simply a very basic knowledge about how to move and where to strike.

    I have clearly made my point, and I would gladly engage in useful discussion concerning the aspects of the subject, but I am done with arguing against a brick wall.

    I never intended for this subject to be seen as a personal attack against those, myself included, who rely on firearms as a first line of defense. I intended that we should think a bit farther down the road of possibility, probability.

    Best wishes, good luck …………

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  • #13382


    No one in their right mind wants to engage in close quarter combat unarmed, or armed with weapons other than firearms. I was attempting to point out that there is a necessity for a backup plan if and when firearms fail, or are not available. I observe in the majority of people, in person and online, a dependence on firearms with little serious thought or training to address any other form of self defense. I do not see this as a wise course of action, given that there is time to address this before the dire need arises.

    Denial, and justification of denial, in order to not think, not act, no matter the logic of the threat possibilities, is quite common, and it will have horrific ramifications if we experience a societal breakdown where the threat of law enforcement vanishes.

    Cannot find a teacher, don’t have time, delusional assurance concerning firearms and ammunition availability, it will not happen to me, weapons other than firearms aren’t really effective, especially against multiple opponents, I’ll just make a lot of explosives in my garage (when I magically acquire the knowledge and skills), I’ve heard all of this, and dismiss it as delusional justification to not think, not act while there is time to do so.

    People speak of normalcy bias, but what does that really mean, what does it consist of?

    Humans live in some degree of delusion concerning reality at all times. It waxes and wanes given the varied circumstances and states of mind that people experience in the day to day living of life. The human senses detect things in our physical reality. Through biological electro-chemical processes signals are sent from the sense organs to the brain. It is here that we give meaning, relative value, to the things we sense. Where does this meaning come from, and is it accurate? There are two main sources of meaning, personal experience, and preconceived knowledge, that is knowledge derived from others, in the present or from the past. All preconceived knowledge should be questioned as to accuracy. Why, because humans are animals of the ego manifestation, and emotional. Everything we think, the meanings, the values, the interconnections, all pass through the lens of the ego and the emotions. This implies that all knowledge derived from others is a product of how they see it, for myriad reasons. It is not an accurate description of the actuality of reality, it is tainted, inaccurate to some degree. How many accept the things they are taught at face value, the cultural teachings, the religious teachings, and even the science? Ones own thoughts are a blend of personal experience and preconceived knowledge, mixed up with the desires of our egos, and distorted by our emotions. We do not see reality as it really is, rather we see a delusion derived from many sources.

    We, as humans, only catch glimpses of reality, only see it as a matter of degree, and one’s perception is one’s reality. We are always beset by the delusions of our own thinking, and that of others that we believe.

    A person can accept distorted knowledge as accurate, reality, to the point that their thinking is indistinguishable from that of an insane person suffering from organic brain damage or disease. This I refer to as taught insanity, the realm of the modern day propagandist, whose only purpose is to distort perception of reality in order to manipulate, for political and/or monetary gain.

    What does all this have to do with the original subject? Just this, who/what are you, what are your real capabilities? We are told who, and for the most part, what we are, what our potential capabilities are from numerous sources, in the now and from the past. These teachings form parameters for what we feel we are capable of, and therefore the actions we are willing to undertake. Sometimes we exceed these parameters and surprise ourselves at what we can do, but mostly we rattle along through life accepting the limitations placed upon us by others.

    Firearms are relatively easy to employ, whereas other weapons take much more effort, and entail more perceived danger to the self. So from this perspective people tell themselves that they cannot effectively employ much of anything other than firearms, and some cannot bring themselves to even do that, instead depending on others to protect them.

    Prepping, survivalism, to me is about perceiving reality as accurately as I can, the dangers, the needs, and a hierarchy of possible solutions for same. Hamstringing oneself, accepting the limitations of the self, taught by others, is at odds with effectively meeting the necessary challenges that one will invariably face in any shtf situation.

    Firearms are effective but limited, there must be a plan ‘B’ that can be practiced, honed to the point that it is viable.

    What logical, reasoned choice is there? If your firearm fails, run, beg for mercy, commit suicide? Consider if others, children, the old, the crippled, are dependent on you, and you are dependent on one form of defensive capability, that fails. Think long and hard about this now, while you have time and resources, don’t wait until the situation is critical to begin to question the wisdom of not being competent.

    Believe in yourself, exceed the expectations, make the attempt, again and again, until you achieve some measure of success, then build upon that. Stop justifying and denying, that is a plague upon the psychology of man.

  • #13216


    I talk about prepping, and survivalism topics, after I talk about other things and get a feel for the person I am talking with. What I rarely ever do is specifically talk about what I am doing, or have done in this regard.

    It is problematic, this distrust of others in our fragmented culture. In the short term one rarely needs others if one is prepared, but in a long term situation, being part of a prepared group will be absolutely necessary for survival, for many reasons.

    Man survives as part of a group in the long term. History spells that out unequivocally. Trying to make it alone is slow suicide, and lonely, not to mention that one will become real strange psychologically, after a few years.

    It is a dilemma, the need to form, or become part of a group of like minded people, in the midst of massive distrust of others based upon real world pragmatism. It seems to me that lying and backstabbing is second nature to many, as long as they get what they want. I trust very few, know many people, but have very few friends, and I see this as logical and necessary ….. even so, the state of my fellow man causes me much anxiety.

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