March 4, 2021 at 10:07 am #34134
March 4, 2021 at 10:33 am #34135Matt In OklahomaModerator
Link wouldn’t work for me but I looked it up.
That’s an interesting story and in some ways I envy the simplicity.
This area is one that would work usually. This year would have proved deadly though. The cold was just overwhelming.
March 4, 2021 at 10:45 am #34136
Odd, the linky did not work for me either . . .
It was a interesting read though.
Makes me wonder if in post-SHTF could something like that be viable?
Like the Mongolians with yurts, on horse back, taking their live stock with them as they traveled from pasture to pasture.
March 4, 2021 at 2:08 pm #34142namelusParticipant
The mongols still live in yurts…. I think some could survive but the level of animals we have will not allow many to have this… think how many horses there are now compared to then with how many humans factored in ratio to animals. And most horses today are not of same hardy stock as in past. We have the pomeranian of horses now.
March 4, 2021 at 3:32 pm #34143
I agree with you but to a degree.
The Amish around here, they have their own breeding program and have some good looking horses to include drafts.
March 4, 2021 at 8:07 pm #34147namelusParticipant
True just like mennonites here how ever how much of the whole.population does that cover 1% of that….. so add all the other horses /oxen we might have enough for 2% of people to be having access to a single animal at a doubling each year it would take a min of 8 years to get everyone a ride baring any issues and boy will there be issues.
Since we are evel hairless monkeys and only think of ourselves… I would say 10 years plus to get to that mainly from our population reduction due to starvation and other teowaki complications.
How many do you know can take care of a horse or oxen team? Make the tack? Make wagons? Fix the existing ones it’s the same small group as have them now and you think rest of people will learn and labor to do what’s needed or just take it…. find another when done… yeah you get what I am thinking now…..
Without oil and power we would lose 80 percent of population in one year 50 percent the next and at 7 to 10 percent of population you would have some tough people.
March 5, 2021 at 8:52 am #34153
Cannot disagree with any of that!
Aside from the Amish, we do have a few people out here that have horses.
Might take a bit, but I think I could train one of our cows to be a beast of burden.
I think I could train the goats.
There are more than a few who comment on TOP that seem to think RVs, full of “hardened survivors” will pour out of the cities and raid the rural areas.
March 5, 2021 at 9:19 am #34155Matt In OklahomaModerator
There will be an exodus. There has been anywhere overseas things happen.
As to violence once they arrive yeah I can see it because of entitlement attitudes and desperation
Crafting a yolk, forging a plow etc without power is a less than desirable time eating task. Training animals to pull, especially horses, is not easy. I’d venture to say 80% of the horses round here ain’t been ride I a year anyway which further complicates it.
Folks in the 1800s round here usually lived to a ripe old age of 30-40. So I know my old self is living on borrowed time. My goal is just to live long enough to help the kids build something to get them through
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