January 1, 2019 at 10:40 am #7157
There is NO POSSIBLE excuse for this .
January 1, 2019 at 4:09 pm #7183
Did you count the number of cops that responded? It looked like five or six. SMH. I’m not aware of any law that requires someone to produce an I.D. upon demand. But the way in which the Constitution is ignored, seemingly at will, by all levels of government, I wouldn’t be surprised.
One of my sons was pulled over one evening as he as several friends were on the way to eat dinner. The stop, as told to him by the city cop, was due to a cracked taillight lens. Almost immediately the cop wanted to search the car. My son declined, as he was taught. So, the cop held him there until a drug dog could respond. The dog was paraded around the vehicle several times without indicating a ‘hit’. He and his friends were held there for 45 min. When he was allowed to leave, five police cars were there…. for a cracked taillight, which the initial cop never mentioned again.
Anyone who thinks we are not already deep into a police state is in serious error.
January 1, 2019 at 4:39 pm #7186Anonymous
Exactly! Freedom and Free Speech are simply a propagandist slogan. The funny thing is that intelligent people actually regurgitate such obviously false claims.
A recent article just stated that 50% of the population has a direct family that has seen a jail cell. Then there’s the fact that America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, with many benign infractions being felonies. A felony is all it takes to lose your firearm priviledge, so unconstitutional disarmament started decades ago, yet the majority of the population agree with disarming these American’s, while still claiming to be free beings.
Just because you still have a right, doesn’t mean it hasn’t been infringed. People are being charged with concealed weapons charges for having a steak knife under the clutter they have in their vehicles and simply forgetting to bring it into their house after a bbq in the park.
We are not free, so have so much more to be fighting for than keeping further restrictions at bay. We need to be fighting for the 3/4 of our freedoms we lost long ago…
January 1, 2019 at 11:30 pm #7242Molly MaloneParticipant
@harbinger James Mitchner, I’m surprised the dog handler didn’t encourage the dog to “startle.” I’m sure police dog handlers do this often, encourage the dog to startle as if it had detected drugs when it hadn’t. The cops are desperate to get into people’s cars because of civil asset forfeiture! If they find cash or valuable electronics or any other goodies in your car, they can steal it, claiming they suspect it was the fruit of a crime. Remember they don’t have to prove anything to steal our stuff, they need only claim suspicion.
Don’t Talk to Cops, Part 1 – YouTube
Mr. James Duane, a professor at Regent Law School and a former defense attorney, tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police.
January 2, 2019 at 4:49 pm #7292
Yes, I avoid interactions with police. Not because I am doing unlawful things, (well, we all are realistically. There are also many laws now I doubt any of us passes a day without unknowingly breaking some law.), but because its not helpful for me personally. Every word you utter is ‘on the record’.
In the case of my son, if he had been at all disrespectful in his interaction with that cop I can almost guarantee the drug dog would have hit. The only difference between being the victim of a strong-arm robbery and the personal property forfeiture laws that almost every state is now using is that the later is committed against citizens under the color of the law.
January 1, 2019 at 5:02 pm #7189Josefina ArenasParticipant
James…so sorry to hear about your son’s encounter. My sons were also caught up in a sweep and the police found nothing. My sense is that the pressures on police to produce results in fines each month in these unconstitutional stops. They figure young people are more likely to be in violation, so they stop them. We were once stopped because we did not put our headlights into park mode when police were ahead on the road. What? We didn’t even see them!
January 1, 2019 at 7:36 pm #7216LittlesisterParticipant
All I can say is 2019 is going to be a bumpy ride. I have a 17 year old grandson that is driving and I hope and pray he never gets stopped and if he does that his parents have taught him what to do.
January 1, 2019 at 11:20 pm #7241
Funny thing, all of the coos around here, State, PD and SO, there ain’t been a one of them that I have seen that hasn’t been utterly professional and straight.
Most don’t know that I used to do their job and am hypercritical. Guess that just goes with living in a decent place.
As to 2019, it’s definitely looking to be interesting, and morefrom a democratic fallout situation as well as economic as opposed to the rest of the stuff.
January 2, 2019 at 8:21 pm #7311
death by a thousand incement al laws
January 3, 2019 at 6:39 am #7333
Just saw “Edge of Darkness” again after many years.
What struck me about the movie was the very real attitude that comes with the comment used a couple of times in the movie.
“In Massachusetts, everything is illegal.”
Seems to apply to Kommiefornia also.
How many years was pot illegal in CA? Yet it was so commonplace that SFPD members openly stated that 50% of the drivers they contacted were under the influence. Not arguing any alleged benefits to the junk but if the people are so willing to just ignore a simple law like ‘no pot’ or even ‘don’t beat your domestic partner’, what can we expect from any legislation?
Its merely a feel good solution, whether or not it actually does anything is immaterial to those in power. It shows that they care and are doing something. Legal or not.
January 4, 2019 at 12:46 pm #7414
Semi auto now assault weapons… really?
January 4, 2019 at 5:07 pm #7422
As long as American citizens sit quiet and take it they will continue to press totalitarian unconstitutional “laws” on us. Remember, an unconstitutional law is no law at all!
In the case of Washington State, a small radical minority in western Washington is running the show. Time for the rest of the state to put a stop to it….. however it’s necessary.
January 5, 2019 at 5:00 pm #7471
Would that be like the Denver water board telling everyone downstream what wells they can use out by the Nebraska border? Or how much water they can have despite hundred year old compacts?
January 5, 2019 at 8:27 pm #7494
<span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/04/virginias-democrat-gov-pushes-gun-confiscation-orders-criminalization-of-private-sales/</span>
Full court press of course we don’t want your guns, yeah just like there is honest politician.
January 6, 2019 at 8:03 am #7516
The old joke about describing a Democracy ” Two wolves and a sheep , voting on whats for dinner ” . The same holds true for non – civilian, internal , review boards ” Two thugs and an inmate deciding on what is acceptable conduct ” . Civilian review boards should be the new standard , its the only way some corrupt departments will get cleaned up . This should include all Federal alphabet soups .
January 27, 2019 at 9:54 am #8539Filiki EteriaParticipant
As I have stated many times before to people, unless you know the police forces or Sheriff Deputies personally, they will simply FOLLOW ORDERS! Just look at the recent Roger Stone arrest, all we hear is the respect for rank and file FBI agents and they are not part of the evil. Well guess what, it was rank and file, armed to the teeth FBI agents, rank and file that did thy bidding of the evil intel agencies we have.
Same can be said about our military sad to say, they may just FOLLOW ORDERS too.
January 27, 2019 at 10:00 am #8540Filiki EteriaParticipant
And what of the woman that was pressing charges, was she high-fiving that she got him arrested in that manner?
January 27, 2019 at 12:21 pm #8541
Someone on another site today pointed out that the feds had more people raiding the home of a nonviolent Roger Stone than used on the raid of Osama Bin Laden. While the FBI leadership may not care since they themselves may live in gated communities separated from the general public, “rank and file” agents (and law enforcement personnel in general) do not enjoy the same security, but live out among those they are ordered to victimize. If abuses of misusing the threat or application of deadly force like that of Manafort, Stone, and many others before them continues, respect for LE will vanish and replaced with fear and loathing by the public.
“I was just following orders” was not a valid defense for arrested Nazis during the Nuremberg Trials.
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January 27, 2019 at 12:49 pm #8543
Fear and loathing is already here , the next step is violent retribution by the armed population , if the current situation is not corrected . Animals ( or people forced into a corner , will come out swinging , they have nothing to lose .
January 27, 2019 at 10:44 pm #8565
I would preface this with think about that you are saying.
You might want to consider that exact statement when considering LEO’s.
Most didn’t get into the job for nefarious purposes. Back them into a corner and you might not get the answer that you expect.
I may be ex-LEO but what I would do for my family?
What would anyone do for their family? LE has an extra layer of ‘sheepdog’ but also a good bit of “end of shift I’m gonna go home”.
Leave an “out”.
January 28, 2019 at 6:10 am #8571
We the people , have no authority or interest to back anybody into a corner . We simply wish to be left alone for the most part . Like any profession , there are a lot of people that don’t belong in it ……….thats one reason building codes exist . Major difference is that a tradesman doesn’t have the authority to ruin a persons life . If you intrust power to any person , you need to screen them very thoroughly . Its the failure of the system to make sure civil rights are enforced and respected , and the failure to properly deal with the growing number of bad apples . The fact that they have a symbol of the American flag greyed out , with a blue line , tells me that they have , on their own accord , made the separation between the people and their masters . Good ones ? yes , I have seen many . But like anything else , its the bad ones that overshadow the others . Unfortunately , there is just way too much of it . The old joke of what a democracy is ” Two wolves and a sheep , voting on whats for dinner ” holds true for internal investigations ” Two thugs , and an ex con , discussing what is proper conduct and policy ” . Are they held to the same standard of laws that we have to obey , and are subject to ? NO ! Now don’t get me wrong , we need them to a point , but again its the bad apples and agencies that are the issue . You know as well as we do , that there are people in say , the DEA , Boarder Patrol , DHS , ATF , BLM , etc . That think they are above the law , and have no use for the bill of rights . In fact , their actions project nothing but disdain for them . The plumber isn’t going to kick in the wrong door , and kill somebody as part of the job , with full knowledge that the only thing that will happen , is their department will have to cough up some money , IF it gets that far .
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