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  • #680

    Forever Preparing
    Participant

    I know that there is strength in numbers and that being a part of a larger, like minded group would be very beneficial in any of the situations that we prepare for, but my wife and I only talk about prepping to a very few people and honestly, none of our neighbors. The security and trust and secrecy are all necessary to an extent, but where do we draw the line and start the discussion with people near by? I would love to meet other preppers nearby! Currently, the most trusted person we know is an hour away. Everyone else that we have brought up the topic with, closer to home simply assure us that if things go south, they will be headed our way! Not exactly the response we were hoping for, to say the least!

    Any ideas? Suggestions? Solutions?

  • #719

    Grammyprepper Reed
    Participant

    First off, don’t disclose what you have! I’ve made that mistake to some extent, and gotten that exact response!

    The best way to ‘test the waters’ and/or introduce the idea of preparedness is to discuss what natural disasters are most likely to occur in your area. For us, it’s bad weather situations, both summer and winter. We’ve been through both. Learned lessons the hard way. Power outages are common in our area. That’s another conversation starter.

    Everyone knows someone who has unexpectedly lost a job, or faced a medical emergency (both of which we have experienced). Say a friend you know just lost his job, and you are discussing it with other friends, talking about how you could be prepared for that (not giving details of how you are prepared obviously) could plant a seed in someone’s mind.

    Realize that ‘normalcy bias’ clouds most ppl’s attitudes. It even affects preppers!

    I actually have adopted more of a ‘homesteading’ attitude vs. a ‘prepper’ attitude. Homesteading and prepping are different but not mutually exclusive. You will find that a lot of homesteaders are indeed preppers, but ‘shun’ the prepping term because of all the negative press. I have found some great friends and connections in the homesteading circles who are also preppers. Perhaps look at joining local homesteading groups. I am not self promoting here, but I help run a state centric homesteading group. Check FB/social media for something similar for your location. You might be surprised what you find! Social media groups in your area related to homesteading, gardening, livestock groups, self sufficiency.

  • #720

    Over Lord
    Participant

    “Loose lips sink ships” That slogan from WWII remains applicable today. I seem to recall a recent article by Selco speaking to just this topic. IIRC he advised being very cautious about whom you talk prepping with. And even more cautious about whom you trust with knowledge of your preps, bugout sites etc.
    As for me, I trust only family members…and not all of them.
    Whom to trust has been and will remain a knotty problem for me. I hope to learn how others approach this problem.

  • #767

    Daisy
    Keymaster

    I don’t talk about “prepping” per se. I talk about specific skills or preparations.

    Example 1: We were expecting a huge storm from Florence (it didn’t happen) and I chatted with the neighbors about previous storms. I let them know I found some really cool LED lanterns for $5 at this quirky local liquidation store. Had the storm hit, my next door neighbor told me he had the smoker ready to go and to bring over any meat from my freezer. Another neighbor was planning a fire in his firepit. No one is a prepper (to my knowledge) but we found a bit of common ground and a way to pull together had it happened.

    Example 2: When I lived in California, I joined a Facebook group full of homesteaders. I met some of my closest friends through that group. Like Grammy said above, these things are closely related. Through the group, I got to take in-person classes on subjects like processing rabbits and meat chickens, setting up a fodder system to feed my livestock, making soap, and many more useful topics. I taught a class on pressure canning and on prepping. We created a strong network of the kind of people who would go over to help out with someone else’s homestead when another member broke her leg and couldn’t feed. We offered fields and barn space to those evacuating from wildfires.

    There are all sorts of ways to meet likeminded people without coming out of the bunker.

  • #772

    Anonymous

    I don’t talk to a lot of people around here, they aren’t really interested. It will never happen to me is the theme of the year, but I’m not really sure that is the reality. None of my neighbors were going crazy when things happened over the last few years and there was a end-of-world run on the local grocery stores. We all were home, not running to the local store. Maybe none of us talk about what we got.

    My problem is the fact that I rent and have a bi-yearly inspection on the house. I don’t distrust the property management folks, but knowing that they know pretty much everything that is in my house and in this yard, gives me pause. I live in a just under 1000 sq ft house, so there is no room to hide anything, or keep it covered up. April and August they come through and check out every room, they know where everything is.

  • #880

    Was Asleep
    Participant

    finding people to talk to in-person is very difficult but i really like the idea of looking for groups to learn new skills like you suggested Daisy! i’m going to look around in my area and see what i can find but only problem is i am new in my community and dont know anyone other than the people i work with but i will see whats on facebook! thanks for the advise!

    • #1474

      good idea
      Participant

      Even in a small rental house you can hide preps under beds in low storage bins (label them summer or winter clothes) and by using square buckets covered with a nice tablecloth for end tables. Hide canned food in cabinets behind dishes, etc. You can also keep your vehicle loaded with preps. We have a dishwasher that broke full of canned food now. There is always a way.

  • #981

    Inigo Montoya
    Participant

    Forever, I would suggest that you listen for key words and sentiments when talking with others. I still think that we are a very small minority amongst the population, but you tend to see who’s like minded by their responses. I wouldn’t necessarily shut down someone who says they’re coming to my place if things get bad. I would correct them and say that ‘if you are, you’d better bring a lot with you and be useful and willing to work, because it’s not my job to save you’. I think our neighbors and friends will be essential in a difficult time. Some of mine are of a similar mindset, maybe not well stocked though, but getting through tough times will mean pulling together, not withdrawing. I know we’re not supposed to discuss religion or politics, and in past civil society they weren’t polite topics. But, how do people respond to the events they see unfolding around them? Do they support and encourage self reliance, or do they argue for more nanny state support? Are they responsive to and interested in homesteading or hands on skills? Are they independent minded? I think you need to build your support network of people around you. I mean geographically, physically around you! Look for people who do things, make things and aren’t stuck with their heads in the digital world. Great, you found like minded people on FB or elsewhere, but are they going to help you fix a leaky roof, put in your garden or tend you when you fall ill? Social media is great, I guess. I don’t participate myself other than reading blogs and sites I visit by choice, not because somebody ‘Liked’ it. Look around you in the real world ie: your neighborhood fix it guy or gal, homesteaders, gardeners, home brewers (one of my favorites!), EMT’s, someone handy with tools, outdoor types, farmers if you’re in or near the country. Take ‘How To’ classes for useful skills. Find these people. Get to know them and strike up a conversation about what they’d do if some local emergency happened and see how they respond. Try to make yourself useful for others, but accumulate people in your local area that will be useful to you as well. I really don’t think there is much time left to do this. So, get started. I see society pulling apart and withdrawing. This is a natural progression of what lies ahead. IMHO. Reach out now and build local ties where you can. Oh, and don’t forget the elderly! There’s a wealth of information in their heads that isn’t on the internet!

    I cringe when I read others saying they’re prepared to take someone out at a 1000 yds after a bad situation happens if they come near them. How do you know if they might be your neighbor coming to check on you. I have grappled with the idea of maintaining our humanity and decency when things get tough. Yep, OPSEC, got it! You have to take care of you and yours first and foremost. Be aware of your surroundings and don’t show your hand or preps, but if you cultivate good friends and neighbors (the one’s you think you can trust), then you will have an advantage.

    I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Daisy’s work and especially Selco’s past blogs! Read Selco’s stuff and think about it. Was he sharing recipes and home canning tips on Pintrest? You need to have real world connections! Look up from your screens and look around you. What do you see? Whom could you work with or trust? If you’re drawing blanks, spend time making connections. Explore your neighborhood and local area. Get to know people and make friends with ones you think are good to know. Learn to trust, but verify!

    Incorporate the OODA Loop mindset in evaluating people and your environment. OODA stands for Observe, Orient, Decide and Act Loop. Start Observing your friends and neighbors. What is their Orientation? Decide if you can rely on or trust them. Act on your information and intuition. Are they worth cultivating and keeping close? If not, look around you ie: the types listed above. Reach out in the real world now while you still have time. You might actually make a few new friends. You have to make new friends to have old friends later on!

  • #995

    Peppy P
    Participant

    We too struggle with trust issues. Currently my husband and I only discuss it amongst ourselves. Our neighbors are not like minded nor are anyone in our immediate family. We would love to be able to speak openly and learn from others as well as develop a strong network of support.

  • #1011

    OldMt Woman
    Participant

    One of my first friends when we moved to this region was into gardening, canning, hunting, fire dept volunteer, etc. Lot of common interests. I never said a word about {prepping}… Years later she heard about prepping and called me. Said: From knowing you these years….you do this, don’t you? I smiled and said, Welcome to the club. You’re half way there anyway. What else do you want to know? …ALL OF IT! I began with what she [and her family] should NOT reveal….including what she now knew about me and mine.

    As for renting or even just having repair people inside this OLD CABIN….oye. I know that one. How messy can you get by with? I have “empty boxes for whenever we move”. I have a built-into-hillside garage which is good cool storage…but doesn’t look like neat storage. It “looks” like a mess. Carefully arranged. LOL A stack of those “empty boxes” or boxes labeled “Christmas decorations” works. Not same size boxes..not real orderly. 😉 In the case of your own home, put a “wall” of such boxes and then buckets [on boards to get off the floor] can sit behind them. So the furnace repair or the well water guy or whoever does not casually see your stuff. And I am always there talking to repair guys…asking questions [for real] but knowing where they are in my home! Small places need a lot of creativity. Gaah!
    OldMtWoman

  • #1030

    John Wick
    Participant

    I don’t talk to anybody about it. I am a former Eagle Scout and enjoy camping, so i use camping as an excuse. I live in a town of less than 200 people, people know who has what.

    Off the topic, but where do you find classes to take?

    Daisy, you mentioned classes you took and some you taught. I don’t know where to look as I don’t have much skills in homesteading. Outdoors and technical trades I can handle.

    JW

  • #1045

    Grammyprepper Reed
    Participant

    @JohnWick, there are many places to look for ‘classes’. Your local county extension, CERT are good places to look and find like minded folks .FEMA offers free online classes. Local to you FB groups that are homesteading related, as Daisy and I both mentioned previously. Not self promoting, but I help run a state centric homesteading and gardening group, we have a yearly get together that includes classes in all manner of homesteading and prepping. See if there is a similar group local to you.

    • #1097

      John Wick
      Participant

      @grammyprepper Reed, thank you for your input. My hometown started doing CERT and I was a member. At the time, I was a dispatcher for the County Sheriff department. Unfortunately where I live now does not have a CERT program. I have also done FEMA classes and looked all over FB in my area. My weaknesses in prepping is homesteading and was looking for classes locally. I will try the county extension office and see if I can find any. Thank you again for responding to my post.

      JW

    • #1635

      buttcrackofdoom
      Participant

      even if your town doesn’t have a CERT program, you may be able to find one nearby. i know i used to be in CERT, and it’s a great way to learn, but it’s been disbanded. so now i have to travel 5 to 20 miles to get to one of 4 other towns with CERT programs. many allow neighboring towns to sit in on training. i have been to flood-control, first-aid, ham liscense, setting up an emergency shelter, setting up an emergency command center, and others…PRICELESS, and it was all free…..plus, if something really happens, you will get to know what’s going on.

  • #1068

    Mama cando
    Participant

    Nope, I don’t talk about “prepping” or being ready for an emergency. Once, when I mentioned the billboard down the road from us about having some things on hand for an emergency, I think it was a FEMA ad. I got this, not kidding.”Oh, that’s for the people in the (name your State of emergency) not for us. The government just puts those ads up all over the place to waste our tax dollars”. I just wish I could meet like minded people here where I live. Don’t get me wrong I have made like minded friends on line and even met another couple face to face (Great people,love em) but they are in another state.Makes it kinda hard to get together.

  • #1101

    Wolphene Howlett
    Participant

    Hello everyone!
    I have brought up topics of getting ready or to be prepared for emergencies since my area has had wildfires pretty much annually. After bringing it up, I’ve waited and listened to how others respond to each other on the topic. A majority seem to believe that the local (tribal) and state govt will handle everything and have supplies to bring in. Some have mentioned, out loud and to the cluster of people, how they knew of so-and-so having a big pantry and seen lots of boxed up goods in that person’s kitchen and home office. Then others have chimed in, “well, that’s the place to go, then!” After hearing that several times in various conversations, my trust level has just about bottomed out.
    If there are prepper-minded persons in my area, they are keeping as quiet as I am. I’ve taken on a hermit attitude, I don’t invite people into my home, talk about what I have or am doing. As far as they know, I’m just somebody’s ol’ gramma barely getting by. With the high rate of umemployment here (close to 70%) and the meth crisis (which I think are interrelated), I just cannot risk having anyone know about me. I have reinforced my home to a degree and am armed, but they don’t need to know about that either.
    The person that was mentioned before, has since passed on. so I guess I’m on my own with my small household.

    • #16274

      StarArt
      Participant

      Wolphene, what you wrote sounds exactly like what i’m experiencing too. From the wildfires, unemployment, meth problem, the hermit attitude, being armed and added to that is our governor of the state declaring this state is a sanctuary one. Yuk! Therefore we have more than our share of illegals added into the mix. I am a senior citizen (although my mind & attitude doesn’t think so) living alone and the only people knowing of my prepper cache is my daughter & grandson. My daughter & grandson are not prepping in any way, they are barely scrapping by, but they also know that they, and they alone, are welcome here just in case. I am aware of my surroundings & people every time I walkout of my door. I, too feel alone in this. I’m portraying the image of another ol’ gramma barely getting by just as you are. Keep up the good work, as I will do too.

  • #1128

    Mama cando
    Participant

    crazy me, Don’t know how close you are to retiring. Has anything been said about your “stuff”? One brother in law asked if I was a survivalist a few years ago when he saw my “lower” pantry. Told him no I was getting ready to retire in a few years and wanted to get ahead of having to buy groceries, ie canned goods, rice, beans, etc. at higher prices when I did retire. That might be a way to “explain away stuff. My other brother in law said that was a smart idea and started to add a few things to his pantry when he went shopping. Does the mgmt co look under beds and under couches? Could you stack things and cover with a tablecloth, use it as night stands or end tables? You may already do this, just thought I’d suggest it.

  • #1130

    Modern Refugee
    Participant

    Hi, everyone. I’ve kinda blown opsec awhile ago. I’ve shared what I know with neighbors and co workers. I figure it’s trade off. Every person I can get on board with prepping is one less person I have to fight later. I’ve found this approach has helped me get in contact with many folks in my area. They have skills other then mine. So I’ve shared what I know about food storage, gardening, wood fire cooking, generators etc. I’ve found folks that raise chickens, weld, reload ammunition etc. I know this isn’t a very popular opinion among prepper, but for me it has worked.

  • #1292

    HomesteadingMama
    Participant

    We don’t talk about prepping with people who we don’t know to be preppers unless it is in relation to a specific scenario (generally some of the natural disasters that could occur in our area). For example, when winter approaches almost everyone (with half a brain anyhow haha) talks regularly about basic preparedness.

    We do talk about gardening, canning, wilderness skills (with hiking/camping minded folks), raising chickens, buying bulk foods (we have a large family so no one bats an eye when I talk about buying 50-pound bags of rice and oats) or whatever related topic might come up. After a few of these conversations, we can usually tell if the person/persons are preparedness minded or just someone who shares an interest.

    With other non-family preppers, we don’t talk about our preps and they are close-lipped about their own which seems prudent. We share information and try to help each other acquire skills, but that is about it.

    With family members who are preppers we are more open and so are they. Those are the people who will almost certainly load up their preps and come stay with us (more defensible and sustainable location) if a big SHTF event were ever to happen. Some are more prepared than others, each has their own priorities and concentrations. While I don’t think we’ll ever be a super organized tactical sort of group we have supplies and we have strength in numbers.

    Definitely look for classes on First Aid/CPR, canning, gardening skills, concealed carry classes (if they have them in your area), homesteading skills, outdoor survival skills (a forest preserve in your area might offer this class) and anything you can think of that will help. It was through one of those classes that we found an amazing older couple that have been mentors for us.

    Now I guess we are starting to mentor others a bit and that’s really exciting. But we aren’t mentoring people to be preppers, we are sharing specific skills with friends and family. We don’t open up and disclose everything about us. We do have people over for bonfires and dinner and such. That’s just hospitality, but we don’t give a tour of the pantry!

  • #1896

    Susan LOVING
    Participant

    Looking for a place to get important information, try checking out your local community college, especially if you are a senior, you can attend classes for free, but without a certificate, as long as there is a spot available in classroom. Also the local YMCA offers classes, for example. I just went to one, where fire/ent workers did a class on emergency first aid, stop bleeding, and such. They had all the training equipment: dummy dolls, etc.

    Also, about talking around others…you will not be able to survive alone and defend your family. We are going to have to form groups and quickly, in MHO, we all have so much information and ideas to share, come on…”PRAY, BELIEVE, AND RECEIVE, OR POUT, DOUBT, AND DO WITHOut” and “a struggle is a preparation for what is yet to come”.

  • #2223

    Josefina Arenas
    Participant

    I used water barrels as bedside tables in the guest bedroom and ordered coordinating round tablecloths to cover them. No one has been the wiser…

  • #5363

    Cambria
    Participant

    I think the problem is using the word Preppers. Prepping. People know I bottle. They think is is because of my heritage so they think nothing of it. Some know I store water. They think it is because of my pickyness with the well water others know it is because I worry about storms and others say it is smart because the Govn’t reminds us we need at least 72 hrs worth. So being prepared and saying we are preppers are two different words in some people’s minds I fear.

  • #5505

    Old Goat
    Participant

    Lots of good views. I stick mostly to family and not all of them can be trusted. But many of you mentioned belonging to homesteading groups, and other groups that can lead into good long term relationship as preppers. I don’t usually use the term prepper because of all the TV shows that were geared to making us look like nut cases. Having worked for the International Red Cross in my younger years I’m not dumb enough to believe that long term help is on the way after a disaster. Which many people have deluded themselves into thinking. I can not believe how many ding bats think you are there to hold their hands for months and years after a disaster! The Red Cross, FEMA and other disaster related organizations are there ONLY to get you through the immediate aftermath. That’s it. It’s not their job to rebuild and on and on and on… and never was. I also don’t like the attitude that a few days supplies will carry you through any thing. It’s just nonsense.

    That bug out bag is just there to get you to another location, and that’s it, preferably to a more secure location where you can tuck in for the duration. There is always the debate of whether to stay or go but you can only make that choice. Unless you are a survival expert, your not going to make it on what is in your pocket or your cute little tin, especially if you have children.

    Yes, the loose lips sink ships is a good motto for most people. If you need a history lesson just go back and read about rationing during the wars, depression and believe it or not lessons learned during prohibition. And down load some of the articles and books for free when you can, they will stretch your supplies and budgets. “Prepping” isn’t new.

    Never let anyone know all of your preps unless they are the people you are prepping for. The free loaders and the dangerous types will be happy to help themselves and clean you out in no time because they sincerely believe they are entitled to it.

  • #5625

    James Mitchner
    Participant

    We once had a group that we often socialized with but not anymore.  We are all still friendly.  But my efforts to have them understand the importance of preparedness was not what they wanted to hear.  They found it to be too negative.  They were of the category of “That will never happen here” and “We’ll worry about that if it happens”.  They still are enjoying themselves in the grasshopper sort of way while the ants continue to prepare.

    I don’t talk about “prepping”.  We have moved on and its been several years, now.  Memories are short.  We have relocated to a more isolated location thats not easy to find.

    We don’t have a group, per se.  I have like-minded acquaintances, but we really don’t do anything together.  Mostly its due to distance and the fact that everyone is busy making a living.  Should a worst case seanerio occur where motorized transportation is curtailed or eliminated, group members a distance away will be of little help, I’m afraid.   If you live in a neighborhood where everyone pulls together on a lot of mutually beneficial activities, and within biking or walking distance, you are fortunate.  A mutual aid group “MAG”  will be much easier to establish.

  • #6825

    Halle Corrine
    Participant

    I have learned the hard way.  One day you are good buddies and the next day you are no longer speaking.  Relationships can be a fragile thing.  I will no longer share.

  • #6827

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    I live in a very rural area.

    A number of people have been here their whole lives.

    One neighbor can recall getting indoor plumbing as a child.

    So, there are lots of old skills, people who were preppers before prepper was in mainstream lexicon.  They have gardens, they can, livestock of various sizes.  A lot of it is right out in the open.

    Just about everyone hunts, so it is a given everyone has a deer rifle, a shotgun, and a .22LR rifle.

    Dont really talk about prepping, just what we are doing, be it expand the garden, more herbs, more chickens for eggs etc.

  • #6840

    woodsrunner
    Participant

    I don’t talk about prepping except tp a couple of close friends who do.  I live in a small village in a wilderness/rural area and everybody here preps for storms if they have any sense at all.  Most people have guns and hunt, fish and trap.  I agree that we will need to band together and most will but there are still some who do drugs and such and believe that they are owed a living.  I am willing and do teach others what I know how to do but keep opsec in mind.  To tell everybody who does what so they can go there if SHTF is just unconscionable (sp?).  Makes me feel angry just thinking about it.  Lazy good for nothing people!  But anger doesn’t get you anywhere, common sense does.

  • #6961

    Littlesister
    Participant

    We don’t talk about our preps or what we are doing around here. Our nextdoor neighbor has a son in jail for selling drugs. Good kid but stupid. His son is now grown and doing good living with his grandparents nextdoor and his father that’s in jail will be getting out in Feb. Next door neighbor’s daughter married a drug addict and he has been in and out of jail. She has since divorced him but he has stolen from neighbor and his own mother. So we have to be careful. I think part of the one in jail is he never got over his wife leaving him for another woman. Yes it’s a crazy story. But my trust to talk to anyone is out of the question. There have been other issues with other neighbors that I didn’t know about, but found out later. Though this has always been a nice neighborhood, it has changed to a point that I keep to myself mostly. We still have some neighbors that have been here a long time, but most have either died off and houses sold to very young couples or in a nursing home and the houses have been sold. Have tried to get to know some of the newer neighbors but seems the young ones don’t want to be bothered with the older folks still living here. Sad, but guess that is the newer generation. So my preps are hush hush. Wish I did have people to talk with around here though.

  • #13216

    ephemeral
    Participant

    I talk about prepping, and survivalism topics, after I talk about other things and get a feel for the person I am talking with. What I rarely ever do is specifically talk about what I am doing, or have done in this regard.

    It is problematic, this distrust of others in our fragmented culture. In the short term one rarely needs others if one is prepared, but in a long term situation, being part of a prepared group will be absolutely necessary for survival, for many reasons.

    Man survives as part of a group in the long term. History spells that out unequivocally. Trying to make it alone is slow suicide, and lonely, not to mention that one will become real strange psychologically, after a few years.

    It is a dilemma, the need to form, or become part of a group of like minded people, in the midst of massive distrust of others based upon real world pragmatism. It seems to me that lying and backstabbing is second nature to many, as long as they get what they want. I trust very few, know many people, but have very few friends, and I see this as logical and necessary ….. even so, the state of my fellow man causes me much anxiety.

  • #16282

    Cinnamon Grammy
    Participant

    Many good opinions and actions here that we agree with. Good ideas Old Mountain Woman. We may be Preppers, but we are far from Survivalists. My daughter talks about us “homesteading” which is fine to most people unless you are a realtor.

    John Wick – you are ALWAYS AN EAGLE SCOUT. You are just no longer a boy…scout.

    “Be Prepared, Prepared, Prepared. The motto of a Boy Scout.”

    “Retired” When Ex-hubby got out of the service, he told me to “stock up” while we had access to the commissary’s cheaper food. It is normal for the military who only get paid once a month, and the retirees who do not live near base, to do so. (I think it stuck.)

    We don’t talk about “Prepping.” We talk about gardening. With several food allergies, it is easier to use that as a reason. It is easier to be a prepper in the country. Also, being retired, on a fixed income, any discretionary money is limited. Gardening satisfies the food dollars – if anyone asks. There are some jars in the kitchen. The other “thousand” are in the basement.

    Our neighbors, in the country here, all hunt. So, no big deal. We all have freezers. Some even probably can.

    We joined our Ham radio club to learn about communication and emergency conditions. I have mentioned I garden and can and love to cook. People have been to our house, but nothing is obvious. Country basements and out buildings are very useful. We have taken SkyWarn and are having trouble finding a CERT class near us.

    My daughter does not want me talking about “survivalism” with her three sons. We don’t address it specifically. We are far from survivalists. She does not want them to be “afraid.” The boys will help with the garden and gladly take a couple of jars for supper. All are still in school, but they are learning our gardening skills little by little. The newly 18-year-old is willing to have discussions. We talk about “old days” and having a year’s worth of food. About how his great-grandmothers did it.  I will address with him what he should take to college – just in case he needs to shelter in place …under a foot of snow. They are all Boy Scouts and can shoot, they just don’t want to hunt the cute critters.

    We have told my son-in-law that if anything serous happened in “the cities” where they live, and it is near an airport, they are welcome to come here to avoid…ebola, flu, etc.

    My #3 grandson took his friend to look at my canning shelves in the basement to show what kind of a garden we had. Confusing to me. I guess because we “grow” a lot it shows in all of the jars on the shelf that I canned. The friend’s family has chickens and gardens and cans – in the city. Like minded.

    Step-daughter-in-law, is more open and accepting. She has stated that if anything happens they are coming to our house. My response was, “bring pillows. We don’t have enough.” Step-son and wife are willing to have conversations. They do not prep. But she gardens and is willing to help.

    Neighbors, a great young couple, salt of the earth helpful people, just pooh-pooh the notion. So, we just give them jars of food, or cookies, or something in exchange for them helping us with our heavy lifting items. Perhaps she will someday start a garden. They are newlyweds. Thinking about getting goats…I don’t know why.  For fun?

     

    There are only a few people, mostly family, that would know enough to come here. They are also the only people that we would get on with well enough to have here and work together with.

    So, no discussions. It is difficult to learn about people. Even if you hear about their activities, does not mean they are like-minded, or taking action. We just go merrily on our way…being prepared…in disguise.

     

     

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