December 12, 2018 at 3:39 pm #6278
What kind of camp stoves you have and use?
I used lot of types from tins to really expensive.
Over the time I got as a present Swedish army type stove, and i am using it mainly on open fire, and so far it has shown to be a really great one.
December 12, 2018 at 6:03 pm #6287
I use a solo stove
I run it on dried dead fall twigs from under trees a double handful of 6 inch wigs will heat a liter of ice cold run off stream wAyer to tea in 10 min with little smoke. It uses rocket stove aire draw and combustion to be that efficient. Like Swedish military it folds intl to one container. Cons the ss is a bit thin might not last forever. The ss discolours from heat. The handles get warm to hot so check before you grab. Constant need to feed small fire chamber . High winds can cause issues with fire there is a screen but I just use a rock wall or dig into hole.
things you will want to add, inside the tins is enough for tea and bullion cubes, but add a sponge with green scrubby the mini ones for cleaning. I also put aqua pure tabs and salt. There is room for a old film canister which I put matches and lint.
- This reply was modified 6 months, 2 weeks ago by namelus.
December 13, 2018 at 3:03 am #6318
I’ve been camping all my life so….which ones to I still have?
–An old model of Coleman: Green metal rectangle with 2 burners. Colman fuel.
–Portable and kettle-type charcoal grills. Both have lids. Can burn wood instead of briquets.
–Portable bottled gas outdoor stove -small. Not durable. [given to us]
–I always keep a #10 can or two. When I was 8? years old, our Brownie troop made “Hobo Stoves” and I’ve never forgotten them. Need what we used to call a “church key” to make triangular vent holes
–Apparently I have the makings of a paint-can-rocket -stove …but it’s never been constructed. …yeah, it’s now back on the TO DO list…
–I keep spare grill tops and such. If I needed stealth, I’d probably make a Dakota hole to hide the flames, reduce the smoke, and increase draw of air. IF we were not in wildfire danger…which we are too much of the time in these recent years.
–I have a ‘chafing dish’ which would warm things …not sure about cook??
–Triple wick candles can heat things…
December 13, 2018 at 11:31 am #6323
Oh, wow. I guess it’s really based on the conditions. My normal survival “go-pack” that I use for day hikes and such has an alcohol stove in case I wind up in an area where a fire is prohibited and I really want a cup of coffee. I don’t cook actual meals when I’m using that level of gear, just boil water since I mostly subsist on nuts, raisins, jerky, and coffee when I’m out for two days or less. Like most stoves of this breed, it allows me to cut the flame down to a simmer level or lower, which is great since two cups of coffee are better than one, so long as they’re both hot. All of that is in my go-pack all the time so I can just grab it on the way out to a SAR mission. So, alcohol stove if I can’t have a fire.
If I can have a fire, then I use a grill made by sawing the non-flat parts off a metal bucket paint roller grid. Flat, lightweight, durable, and allows me to work with any kind of fire lay from dakota to key-hole. It collects soot, so I made a cover (my first actual sewing machine project) for it. It takes up absolutely no room in the pack, which is why I like it. The grill is always in my survival kit because it’s really light and works everywhere, forever, including over the alcohol stove.
I go heavy for truck camping, with a canvas tent and propane heater, so the standard two-burner Coleman stove is the gear I use for that event; I like to take a bunch of ingredients and do actual cooking in that situation. Solar-electric refrigerator and lighting makes that particular kit complete.
For real mountaineering, like 5-day trips deep into the wilderness or SOTA work, I take along a WhisperLite and associated fuel. Alcohol stoves don’t dump the necessary energy to melt snow and boil enough water, fast enough, for two hungry hikers to get their Mountain House in time. We use patrol camping methods, so one stove & cook gear per two people.
And for things like boiling traps and canning, I use a large propane burner on a tripod.
December 13, 2018 at 1:49 pm #6329
Surprised no one mentioned the Svea liquid-fueled backpacking stoves. I used one for years (still have it) deer hunting in the mountains. Stuffed away perfectly in my day pack. It was always nice to take a break, have some lunch and a hot cup of soup or coffee.
The easiest and quickest stove I have consists of just a burner by Coleman that can be screwed onto most any propane cylinder. I keep it in a GHB along with a small container of propane.
A SOLO stove with alcohol burner is stored away in another bag. The alcohol will disappear if you don’t keep check on it, but it can burn biomass as well.
Although our VW Westfalia has a two-burner progane stove installed, I also store a MSR ‘Whisperlight’ and fuel just in case, or if we may want to leave the bus for a day on a hike.
I have one of the Coleman two-burner camp stoves. Must be 35 years old! I use it mostly when we loose power. I converted it to propane, so I bring in a 20# propane cylinder to fuel it.
December 14, 2018 at 11:21 am #6358
I never got into Svea. Not that I heard anything bad about it, just moved along a different brand path. Optimus was the first (the box-style one), and is still my favorite for useability, but weight issues drove me to MSR. The local store had spare parts and tools for MSR, and not Svea, so that was it.
Weight issues are a constant balancing act for me. I go as lightweight as possible whenever I can, because there are some heavy things I have to carry, like pistol, rifle, ammo, bush knife, and axe.
December 15, 2018 at 5:57 pm #6407
The Svea is often cantankerous to light off until you get the hang of it. I have the little optional plunger to pressurize the tank, but also an eye dropper to take a bit of fuel from the tank and deposit it in the well beneath the burner. Light off the open fuel in the well and the heat pressurized the tank.
The easiest by far has been that little Coleman burner with folding pot supports that I can just screw onto a propane cylinder and I’m in business. The small cylinder will last for several days if used for just cooking simple meals. But it doesn’t put out the energy as do liquid fueled stoves or even biomass, which is a consideration for higher elevations. Here, elevations are seldom above 4K feet.
December 15, 2018 at 8:01 am #6387
I have a old, and I mean old Coleman that runs on whitegas.
I also have a Primus OmniFuel stove. Burns white gas, auto fuel, diesel, jet fuel, rapeseed, and probably 1 or 2 I am forgetting. Small, light and burns hot.
December 15, 2018 at 8:02 pm #6411
I got one of those single Coleman burners…I think the one you’re talking about, JamesM. From thrift store but never got it to work. Not sure if it’s ‘operator error’ …tho they are simple. I tried looking it up on Internet and [long time ago] I seem to remember it has a reoccurring problem that matched what I was seeing. I guess it’s shoved in a corner somewhere around here.
Anyway…I’m at WELL above 4K here. This thin air does change things! We have to use extra means just to start charcoal! Currently, I use a thrift store purchased hair dryer. [Dedicated use for fire starting only…not on wet hair!] An engineer taught me that! lol Waving a paper plate just didn’t get it done. Good solid air flow did. Without electric, I’d try to use one of those metal towers you put the briquets into. Haven’t actually tried it but I’d hope it would work. Or just do the usual for wood fire and add briquets …if I still have any. Don’t store but a few bags.
OldMtWoman …many many ways for fire
December 16, 2018 at 10:28 am #6433
I bought mine from Wally World about ten years ago for (I think) $20 plus a few cylinders of propane. I can’t find a photo on their site and think it may have been upgraded (with a price increase, of course). This photo isn’t mine exactly, but is basically the one I am referring to. Folds up to almost nothing. Fuel cylinder not included.
January 10, 2019 at 4:23 am #7828
When Selco first mentioned how valuable a small portable stove was when the SHTF I set out to buy one or two. I now have about 50 (;-( ) and have become a collector. Mostly the older stoves from the 1950s, Primus and Optimus brass kerosene camp cookers, but lots of others.. two burner ” house” type stoves and also boat stoves made of stainless steel. I also have a collection of Coleman “suitcase” stoves common in the USA and Canada. And some alcohol stoves both single burner like the Triangia and some double burners. Boat stoves are often alcohol stoves as it is considered the safest fuel ( non explosive). I
A great source of info on old stoves is the site classiccampstoves.com. Everything you need to know to clean, repair and operate the old stoves. The old stoves are better quality than the newer ones ( made in China ) and you can pick them up on ebay, or garage sales etc. Sometime the rarer ones are high priced (very collectable) so I figure I can sell my collection again if I need to and get my money back.
The Coleman stoves generally use naptha or Coleman Fuel, (white spirit in UK ) but you can use unleaded petrol. Petrol contains additives that will “gum”up stoves but if you clean the stove generator frequently you can get around this. There are instructions on the Coleman collector sites. Petrol may be the only fuel commonly available .
Kerosene stoves are not designed to be run on petrol or naptha, and are considered safer because kerosene is less “explosive”. I have read that people are using the new diesel fuel in kerosene stoves and lamps. The new diesel is more refined, and by adding 5-10% propyl alcohol ( rubbing alcohol) it seems to work as a kerosene substitute. You can look this up on the net. I have not tried it yet. Jet fuel is essentially kerosene.
For portability and convenience the small propane and butane cookers like JM mentioned above are quick and easy. Great for a short term power cut. Longer term and the liquid fuel stoves come into play. Tho I would say that all stoves require some care and knowledge.. you are dealing with flame..they are not foolproof, especially indoors.
January 10, 2019 at 1:16 pm #7839
Using petrol in a multi-fuel stove quickly shows you how much less energy is available in the petrol than in white gas. It’s truly a “use when nothing else is available” kind of thing.
January 10, 2019 at 5:26 pm #7843
This is a great story and he includes a video by Dave.. who is distilling gasoline to remove the additives and make “coleman” fuel. Huge saving in cost..he says. The distilled product has less smell. Can be used in dual fuel lamps too.
In an EMP situation you will have lots of cars sitting around with fried electrics.. but full of gas. Maybe Selco can tell us how to get the last residual gas out of a car by drilling a hole in the bottom of the tank?? Often done in poor countries to steal the gas too. How to do this safely??
Don’t try this at home…. 🙂
January 10, 2019 at 6:22 pm #7846
When I was a Boy Scout many decades ago we used ‘white gas’ to fuel all the Coleman lanterns and stoves. At the time only Amoco sold the non-lead fuel. Much cheaper that Coleman fuel even back then. Why the need to distill gasoline? All of it is now un-leaded. My duel-fuel equipment runs just fine.
January 10, 2019 at 9:09 pm #7851
Hi JM, I think that unleaded will eventually clog the generator if you are using it long term as these people are. Using a few drops of injector cleaner in each tank helps.
So distilling the petrol gets around this and the “clean ” fuel probably lasts /stores better too. Dave claims it runs better. . I suspect using old gas would be very bad for stoves and lanterns. If you read all the comments on the article you find all sorts of experience being related.. including the use of diesel and kerosene, and mixes. All useful after a SHTF scenario.
Selco related someone in his city tapped a pine tree for turpentine.. for lamp fuel. That’s really back to basics.. but there are lots of pine trees where I live.
January 17, 2019 at 12:12 am #8215
This is a good (long) article about all the backpacking stoves…how to use them safely. His comments about manufacturers statements and Lawyers are amusing. I have several of these stoves.
He thinks the Bleuet ..or piercing butane/propane canister stoves are not safe. I see they are still sold on Ebay and are widely used in Europe. Often sold as GAZ. I have a few… stoves, lamps and a heater.. and a stockpile of canisters. I will use with care in the future. The danger is from leaks around the seal, and maybe overheating of the canister.
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