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  • #24281

    John Park
    Participant

    A few random thoughts about a potential civil war. It dawned on me that we preppers often talk about the possibility of civil war(left vs right) or a new revolution, but I really wonder what it would entail.

    1) What do you think it would take for people to actually rise up in arms? I know that firearms confiscation would certainly result in various individuals resisting, but what would it take to organize militias? What level of mass spying? What level of taxation? What would it take for states (or counties or various parts of states) to secede?

    2) What is your balloon going up sign that says “time to start resisting on a personal level” and what is the sign that you need to form an armed group? (Feel free to ignore this question for sake of not giving away too much info on a message board)

    3) Even giving the generous assumption that 75% of the military stays with the tyrannical govt (and obviously some state governments as well), what sort of asymmetric actions do you think the conflict would involve? Disrupting supplies, small arms fire preventing aircraft from taking off?

    Just pondering some possibilities, I’d love to hear your thoughts.

  • #24283

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Not really sure how to answer those questions. Though I feel that the younger generation, say from 18 to maybe 40 years olds. boys are to busy wanting to be little girls instead of the sex they were born, as is the same about girls. Also the generation of we owe them everything. Why should they work for a living to support a family when they can get handouts for free. Then they can keep their drugs coming.  Who will be the ones fighting in a civil war.  The gays and lesbians, the freeloaders?  What about the illegals? Don’t think they will be fighting our battles.  Frankly, I think I am tired of the news, the elections, and God is in charge so I am just sitting back and watching the show.   My concern is Russia sending over the missile that will put us in the dark ages as well as a collaspe of this country. One or the other if not both is going to happen as fortold in the Bible.

  • #24290

    Tolik
    Participant

    I dont see Russia doing anything . They dont have to , we are doing it to ourselves . Much like when they collapsed .

  • #24297

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    I think it could be a couple of things that might cause a real rise up so to speak.

    Firearm confiscation is one.

    All this talk about redistribution of wealth. Sounds all well and good when it is the 1%. But we have seen in recent bills introduced to apply a surcharge/tax on those making $1-2 million. How long is it before it is anyone making $150k? $100k? $75k? All to pay for someone else’s college education? Someone else’s healthcare? Subsidize someone else’s house payment?

    Socioeconomic collapse, especially if any or even a few of the farming/agriculture issues we have seen recently and the worst comes to pass. Shortage of food, and people will get down right nutz. And they will follow anyone who promises them a quick, easy solution.

    Mass surveillance: We do that to ourselves. What Google, Facebook, et al. have accomplished is the envy of governments and intelligence agencies around the world.

    I do not discount some of these young radicals we have been seeing. I just posted an article about a Northwestern Dean’s reaction to a group of protesters who were attacking the school’s student journalists for covering the protests. Read the article and watch the video for yourself. This is not the first time I have heard the phrase “We are fighting for our lives!” Not only in this instance, but the other instances, I did not see anyone lose their life. But fact is they truly believe it. And nothing more dangerous than a true believer. To a degree we have seen the lengths they will go into in violence, disregard for property, or laws. And in this day and age of Trump, they are more than I would of thought. Even if there are those who cannot participate in a protest/demonstration, they could provide passive support.
    What would it take them to go for full on violence? I dunno. But do not discount them out of hand.

    Military stance in all of this? Who knows. Saw a poll that said the majority of officers were against Trump. That same poll said the majority of enlisted were for Trump. I think the military would have to sit that one out and keep an eye out for anyone (Russia, China etc) who tries to take advantage of the situation.

    I agree with Tolik. The division in America is mostly by our own doing. When I say our own, I mean our own political process, corporate MSM, and even the American public has a degree of responsibility in this mess.

  • #24302

    namelus
    Participant

    Benifit running out or not being “enough”

    Any major grid disruption.

     

    Who says it’s not part of plan…. lock up city cut off food and water  14 days later 80 percentt less people.those left grateful for a meal and shower will be your slave.

    Who are the useless ones expecially since aI and bots are better than you? What value do you bring to the 1 percent that own everything hence your owners.  In past best weapon 9f mass  death with least repercussions is starvation ask the Germans, russian,  chinese ect work far better than bullets and who in city could grow anything close to enough? It also stops resistance as no place to gather materials if starving mob burns and loots not much left of value.

     

     

  • #24546

    DB
    Participant

    Don’t need to imagine too much, plenty of current examples (Fance, HK, Venezuela…etc.) All political/.gov based sparks that morph into something else from where it started. Tuning into fight for various freedoms, real or perceived, seem to be the common theme.

    Right now the US has plenty of politicians at all levels, on all sides willing to throw fuel on X fire by design or otherwise. Just a matter of time now, point of no return isn’t even in the rear view anymore.

    Currently if .gov gets earnest about clamping down on anything 2A, rest assured .gov PTB will know what’s to follow and have a plan(s)….not good for the commoner. Will probably start with admin/bureaucratic repercussions, EG; want health care, tax benefit, food, whatever X benefit then turn in/register you arms. MSM only too happy to help and plebes willingly fall in line. Then…the mouth of truth,,,neighbor against neighbor. Door to door is highly unlikely.

    Guaranteed some .gov muckity mucks have played out a “siege” addressed by Namelus. Add in natural disaster, wrestles natives, broad definition of “terrorist”, national security, etc. as a catalyst and there’s the easy button under the guise of “I’m with .gov and here to HELP”.

  • #24547

    Tolik
    Participant

    Three things about that .

    1. ” All  plans turn to crap at first contact with the enemy “
    2. Humans could screw up a free lunch .
    3. 4GW
  • #24548

    Josefina Arenas
    Participant

    While the media might portray this generation as Marxists, there are plenty of young people who have been homeschooled or who otherwise identify with their conservative parents.  Those who identify as Marxists are ill-prepared for actual resistance.  Sticks and stones… Socioeconomic collapse would rile some.  Firearm confiscation would rile most.  While we didn’t homeschool all the way through, we did think that abolishment of homeschooling was cue.  It’s imperative that we are able to have our own thoughts.  You’d be surprised how many young people would resist.

  • #24550

    namelus
    Participant

    Well remember  stalingrad….  they supplied 1 gun and 5 clips for 5 people and where told you turn back we shoot you. They rounded up regular citizens and marched them into machine gun kill zones  till they took  a position. Not fighting was not option unless you wanted to die.

  • #24567

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    @DB,
    Good to see ya again.

    I agree with your first paragraph.
    The second, I dunno. As long as BAU continues they maintain a degree of control and power. Once bullets start to fly, it is a crap shoot. Or, as Tolik mentioned, to paraphrase, Plans are only good till first contact. Then it is who can identify opportunities and exploit them faster, adjust to a fluid battlefield environment, and who has the logistics to supply is the one who is going to win.
    I still see it as a more Balkanization kind of fall out IF things were to go sideways.

  • #24572

    DB
    Participant

    Thanks CB. Likewise.

    Agreed on all points.

    This is just how we get there and there’s plenty of “talent” to go around on all sides. Balkanization, I believe, is inevitable here in the US after the the Rubicon is crossed, just as all armed conflicts seem to go in part at the very least. After first contact and when it’s generally recognized as such, all bets are off except it will suck.

  • #24574

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    I still see the logistics part as being one of the bigger problems for either side.
    Per Clinton, the “deplorables” many live in the flyover states, where a lot of our domestic food production comes from.
    CA does not have a lot of in-state POL refineries. For that matter they also get a lot of their electricity and water from outside of the state. That could be a long way to secure those resources.
    Flip side, CA has a sizeable population, could outnumber the lesser populace rural America. But are they willing to travel hundreds or thousands of miles to fight to get the power back on?
    As we saw in the Battle of the Bulge, the Germans raced to secure key bridges, only to have the Americans blow them before the Germans could cross.
    I dunno. I can see it going either way.
    Regardless, as you state, it would suck all the way around.
    Funny, Daisy just had a guest poster writing about “Embracing the Suck.”

  • #24576

    Tolik
    Participant

    Another aspect about the 4GW issue . As a government in crisis , one has to be very careful not to clamp down too hard on the civil population . LE is very ignorant of this . If they clamp down too hard , attempting to get rebs under control , they create more rebs , and sympathy toward them in the general population . Every action taken by the individual soldier , LE , etc , has the possibility of turning a person against them , a person that under other situations , would not get involved . At that point , it starts to get rapidly unmanageable , and unwinnable for them to try to stay in control , or in power . Our country is not like other countries , we are our own animal , and on the individual basis , even leftists like their freedoms , and will take offense to being abused . The evil snow ball , starts rolling .

  • #24578

    DB
    Participant

    HA, as an aside: I always thought that was a ridiculous saying especially how it grew into a droning mantra in .mil/MIC/.gov, To me it implies you’ve got no other choices and/or too soft to make them.  Bunch of BS mostly from TPTB to spoon feed the mouth breathers an easy out, but obviously has stood the test of time. Tells you a lot right there.

    I’ve seen particularly nasty demises from embracing the suck. While choices may be difficult and/or limited …STFU or GTFO.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  DB.
  • #24581

    DB
    Participant

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    You hit it on the head, US isn’t like other countries especially in regards to fighting on their own soil in the public consciousness. That’ll cut both ways.

    At the same time people are people. I’ll refer to historical precedents. .gov’s will not go down without a fight  in spite of the evidence to the contrary and the price to be paid.

  • #24793

    Optimist
    Participant

    I still see the logistics part as being one of the bigger problems for either side.
    Per Clinton, the “deplorables” many live in the flyover states, where a lot of our domestic food production comes from.
    CA does not have a lot of in-state POL refineries. For that matter they also get a lot of their electricity and water from outside of the state. That could be a long way to secure those resources.
    Flip side, CA has a sizeable population, could outnumber the lesser populace rural America. But are they willing to travel hundreds or thousands of miles to fight to get the power back on?
    As we saw in the Battle of the Bulge, the Germans raced to secure key bridges, only to have the Americans blow them before the Germans could cross.
    I dunno. I can see it going either way.
    Regardless, as you state, it would suck all the way around.

    You raise some interesting points.  The ‘blue zones’ are largely urban ones.  Cutting the power into a city, cutting the supply of water or food will affect one side far more than the other.  And when one’s constituency falls, the politicians go with ’em.  Mussolini found that out the hard way, even after Skortzeny bailed him out once…

    California is driven by its urban centers.  Cut the power and water into Kali, and LA will die.  SF will go too, when the lights go out.

    A strategy for right now?  Twice the price to anybody with Kali plates….  Same could be done for Illinois, Virginia or NY plates…

     

     

  • #25419

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Just watch what the VA gov. is trying to do. Everytime there is a meeting on 2A santuary cities, the meetings are set up for 7 PM. The gov. does a last minute change in time to make it for 2 pm in the afternoon because he knows everyone would be at work and can’t come to voice their openion. So where I live in VA, it is looking like we may not become a 2A santuary city.  Still waiting to see what happens.  This man is a lunatic. Threating to cut our elect. if we don’t comply to turning in our guns. Still not going to happen. And I don’t think he can do that. He has threated to call in the National Gard as well. So yes, I think it is very possible that we could have a civil war and VA may be the first state to start it. I really don’t want to be around here if that does happen.

  • #25421

    namelus
    Participant

    Kentucky is going 2a aswell now you will have company.

  • #25587

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Never thought Kentucky would faulter for this.  Found out several days ago that somewhere in N. Va they have already formed a militia.  Still trying to find out if it is true or not.  But come Monday at 8 am we will all be flooding Richmond.  I really don’t think it will do any good as Norsthrum is going to do what he wants. And now he has lots of help.

  • #25592

    Tolik
    Participant

    Unfortunately , the shooting may need to start . Remember , the colonists didnt take their decision lightly either . Franklin lobbied parliament for a very long time . They refused to consider his position . Its getting time for war . Like they said in the Godfather ” Lets hit em now Mike ! While we still got the muscle ! ”  .

  • #25655

    Anne Bonney
    Participant

    My biggest fear is that there WON’T  be any uprising. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I’m pretty sure the mass hypnosis is getting worse. Look at everyone attached to their cell phones now. The zombie apocalypse is already here. No, no civil unrest. If there is any, it will makes the news and people will shake a fist in outrage, then quickly forget about it. Intended amnesia.

    • #25657

      Crow Bar
      Keymaster

      @Anne Bonney,
      I could see that too.

      But it does seem there are more and more young people who are willing to commit acts of violence in the name of “change.”

      That O’Keef guy just released a video of a Sanders field organizer saying Trump supporters need to be sent to re-education camps, like they had in post WWII Germany for former Nazi members.
      Granted, I think this guy just might be a wee bit on the extreme side. But we also saw a few extreme types declaring Obama was Satan incarnate.
      Equally dumb.

      However, we have also seen others who really do believe that fascism is on the rise in the USA, along with white supremists. But they are using obscure definitions, or declare anyone who votes for Trump is a fascist/white supremacist. I saw one article where they were using the word “patriot” as evidence of increase fascism.
      Could it be said all white supremacists are Trump supporters (never mind Trump is pro-Israel, son in law is of Jewish faith and Trump’s own daughter converted)?
      Sure.
      Are all Trump supporters actual, real white supremacists?
      Nope.
      But there are those who attempt to make that argument and some are even convinced of it.

      As with all the previous presidents, there are some things Trump has done that I support. Other things, not so much.

      For the record, the only campaign I have donated money to is the Tulsi Gabbard campaign.

  • #25658

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    Oh, and now it appears the NYT released a article about possible Russian hacking of the Ukrain gas company Hunter Biden was a board member of.
    A number of MSM pundits have latched onto this “news” and are pushing the idea of possible Russian interference in the 2020 election.
    I think Biden will lose to Trump (if Biden wins the nomination) as he is not likable just like Clinton was not likeable in 2016.

  • #25660

    Tolik
    Participant

    lets hopeBiden gets the nomination

  • #25662

    namelus
    Participant

    you realize how stupid left has to be to label Trump supporters as white supremist given he is a jew? And Jews hold the most vitriol rhetoric from the white supremist.  After  all the nazi consentration  camps where not directed at aNY other race or creed if Jews lol are to be believed. After all that is only way to double your population from red cross european census in 39. To 6 million to be killed  by 45 and 3 million on survivors payouts. Or maybe I am really bad at math since I can’t make ñumbers work.

     

     

  • #25668

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    I am waiting for the “The Russians are helping Warren/Sanders win!” insanity to come out.

    I dont think Biden has it to win against Trump.
    I think Warren or Sanders has a better chance.

  • #25672

    namelus
    Participant

    https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/virginia-governor-to-declare-state-emergency-to-prevent-lawful-carry-at-2a-rally/

     

    If this happens… what is next move?

     

    I would think it will be bloomberg who actually runs  against Trump.

    • #25675

      Crow Bar
      Keymaster

      Make sure everyone knows there was no credible intelligence to warrant a State of Emergency. That Governor Northam continues his abuse of the rights of The People for his political agenda and tyrannical power grab.

      I dunno if Bloomberg will take the nomination. Seems like too much anti-rich old white guy sentiment out there. I just dont see those on the left, or the progressive left getting behind him.
      Moderate left, I could see them voting for Bloomy, or GOP who hate Trump. But I think those are few who would vote Dem. They might just stay home.

  • #25679

    Littlesister
    Participant

    VA Gov. northam declares State of Emergency over potential civil unrest culminating on Jan. 20th. at the Va state capital.  He has an executive order number 49.  I copied it in files but can’t get it to come to this site.  it is about 4 pages long. Don’t know how to get it to transfer over.

  • #25695

    John Park
    Participant

    I worry about this VA showdown. Imagine some 2A advocates believe the Second Amendment (and whatever is in the Virginia state Constitution) protects their right to own and bear arms… so they come armed.
    Cops point guns to disarm them, protestors point guns at cops, gunfire ensues.
    Civil War 2.0 gets underway?

  • #25698

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Don’t want to think about it. Just hope that doesn’t happen. But only time will tell. I for one will NOT be in Richmond on the 20th.  Couldn’t go even if I wanted to as I am care giver for DH. But I have sent lots of e-mails to the nut jobs running VA down. Only one responded and said he voted for the 2A santuaries.

  • #25713

    log man
    Participant

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-second-amendment-gun-rights-rally

    Well, Trump has been heard from but his comments seems rather tepid to me.

  • #25714

    Whirlibird
    Participant

    Namelus,

    Since when is Trump a Jew?

    After that, everyone needs to have a drink or three,

    This a time for two of the boxes, the ballot box and the next election. The other box? The jury box.

    Too many people seem to think that the cartridge box is the answer, that “their” side will win.
    The truth is that if we go down that path, everyone loses. Do the math. Heck, ask Selco what happens when intentionally stop getting along.

    Or you could read his books, or others.

    Not that history has given us any examples.

  • #25717

    Tolik
    Participant

    Weird thing in VA , that the NRA is suspiciously SILENT throughout the whole thing . Payoff ? Intimidation ?

  • #25727

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Tolik, I to have noticed, NOT a word about gun control from NRA. We have had no more phone calls from them either. I was a member at one time till the rates kept going up. But still got phone calls and mail from them and no silence.  I am really starting to wonder if they were paid off to keep quiet by deep state. This is not like them or they know something we don’t and not talking. They have put fences up now for the Monday meeting and no one is allowed passed the fenced area with a gun. Guns can be carried outside of the fences but that’s as far as they can go. There will be loud speakers outside for them to hear what is going on. Those that want to be in the meeting will have to leave their guns home, or locked in cars.  I will not be there but have a few neighbors that are going. They will keep me informed of the meeting. I have a bad feeling about this but will see what happens.  Norsthrom is pushing hard against us having guns.

  • #25729

    namelus
    Participant

    Jewish heridity is through mother.  Trump great grand mother last name is kober first name Kathrina.Look up the Jewish ansestry and it’s shows itself.

     

    If this articles are truthful it can change the  events Monday.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-01-17-military-to-jam-gps-signals-fbi-asserting-imminent-domain-seize-night-vision.html

    No big deal, just a Special Operations Surveillance Aircraft circling Richmond

     

    And this for crisis actor.

     

    I have not vetted info and two souces are questionable one is unknown.

     

     

     

     

  • #25731

    Tolik
    Participant

    Trump being jewish is weak . Several things wrong with that argument . firstly , there has always been a thing call ” mixed marriages ” . Mixed can mean many different things . It can be race , religion , cultural is the most common . People from different nationalities marry .That said , its what the children of those parents decide for themselves , that determines what they are . If say a Catholic and a Protestant marry , The children may , or may not , know about   both the religions . Regardless of what they learned about either growing up , if they choose to be niether one , that line is broken , because neither will be passed down to their children . Same is true for Judaism . Just because somewhere down the line , a jew and a Christian , or a non religious person marry . This does not make the children of such a union jewish . Another factor is if either parent is practicing a faith , many are born into one , but choose not to be devoted to it . From personal experience , I dated a Jewish girl for several years . She told me many times , she only participates for the sake of her parents , and when they pass on , she was going to quit practicing in any capacity . We are talking great grandparents , in Trumps case , that is pretty far removed . He was obviously not taught in the home about Judaism . His parents were probably not as well . The line is broken , He is no more Jewish than I am Chinese . As for what the Jews decide on passing down heredity , is also irrelevant . Many peoples have matriarchal heredity , if the children adopt the customs of another culture that does not do that ( like ours ) . The line is broken , as going forward , it will not be practiced . I COULD have a Native American ancestor in the past , who’s tribe was matriarchal , that doesnt make me a member of that tribe , or give me any knowledge of those people in any way . My mothers maiden name is a very German one . So what ? Nobody in my family ever spoke German , has ever been to Germany , or knows anything about their culture , including my grandparents , and great grandparents . Regardless , of Trumps distant relative , by Jewish standards of any sect , he cannot call himself a Jew . The line is broken , he knows nothing about being a jew .

    • #25777

      namelus
      Participant

      Tolik  you are mixing two different aspects at being jewish religious and genetic.

      Having German genetics is exactly that German blood in your family. You don’t stop being that through dilution of marriage.

       

      Second religion yes it’s choice but have you see people give land and donate to projects they don’t identify with?

       

      On both of those counts Trump has jewish blood period not an argument just statement he’s great grandma was jewish that makes him 1/8 jewish genetically.

       

      As for acts well reconconizing Jerusalem as capital and thier ownership of sized territory of west bank as israel without consulting senate or house approval against international law is about the biggest gift anyone could give israel. Hell they named a place  in west bank for him. Let alone wars fought without proper approval.

      This started as a statement of why it was stupid to call Trump supporters white supremist. Being part jewish genetically is pretty much a no go for support from those people carring that mind set.

      Do I care if he is jewish no it has no bearing on good or bad just how he runs the country.

       

      Personally I think he will be reviled not from the democrat impeach bs but the fact he sold usa food secirity to forgeiners and helped accelerate the collapse of usd as world reserve status through mismanagent and over use of sanctions where not nessisary.

       

       

       

  • #25737

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    The NRA has been writing some articles on VA.
    The NRA is hosting a rally in Rhode Island on the 23rd.
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200117/rhode-island-join-fellow-gun-owners-at-a-pro-gun-rally-on-january-23

    Maybe they just let the VCDL run things as the VCDL has in the past.

  • #25744

    Optimist
    Participant

    NRA has not done things to keep ’em relevant.  The “Send Money, SEND MONEY, SEND MONEY NOW” mantra has worn thin with a lot of us, who look for results and see more new gun laws on the books.  I was a life member the last time we had to woodshed the NRA in Cincinatti.  It’s time for some of you younger fellers to step up and do it.  Your turn!

  • #25749

    DB
    Participant

    Whirlibird, well said! That’s the gospel from where I sit and refreshing to see. (not referencing the jew part, that’s kinda pointless in my estimation). Sometimes I gotta wonder if some folks on this forum actually have read Selco at all.

    Littlesis, I’m with you, the deck is certainly stacked in VA .govs favor and with so many players let alone false flag potential….sketchy for the 2A folks at best.

    Also as Selco infers, I think it’ll end up going kinetic in the US and elsewhere, to everybody’s detriment. Only politicians and power brokers come out on top in any armed conflict when the dust settles. Everyone else pays heavily in one way or another. I hope VA isn’t the big spark, but the spark is inevitable.

    Prayers for VA and us all.

  • #26137

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Bloomberg is buying his way into the white house. If he wins it’s all over for the USA. He will take our guns away. Our governor is paving the way.  Then there is Bernie Sanders. Communism anyone?  He is 100% beyond socialism.  If Trump wins again and I think he will. Call that a Gut feeling.  That will only give us 4 more years before all hell breaks loose.

  • #26142

    Tolik
    Participant

    Bloomberg will not get the  nomination . What this means is he will not be on the official ballot . He will be a write in . What it also means , is that all the media focus will be on Trump and whoever the Dem nominee is . This means he will no be in the presidential debates . Even if he gets people to write him in , it will fracture the election in Trumps favor , as Bloomberg could muddy up the waters enough , that neither he , or the official Dem candidate will have any hope of getting enough electors to win . He could be unknowingly doing the Republicans a BIG favor by staying in the race . Four more years is a good time to buy weapons , etc , and prepare for the freak out after . Also , this will be Trumps last term , and like many presidents in their 2nd term , pretty much stop playing politics , and go for what they really want ………they cant run again , they have nothing to lose . All I can say is , vote red , to make the left s$it the bed lol . The more reps we can sent with him at every level , can do nothing but help .

  • #26146

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    In the initial start of the Democrats race for the nomination, I thought it was Biden was/is still the DNC Establishment choice.
    But he is taking a beating, and his remaining viability is very much in question at this point.

    I thought Warren was looking to be the most likely candidate to win (least DNC Establishment interference). Now, she is looking weaker and weaker and falling behind.

    Despite the MSM effort to ignore, marginalize, and or dismiss him, Sanders has real support, both in terms of voters and monies.

    Buttigige, I have no idea why his voters find him appealing or the MSM. He is Clinton in a tie. I saw someone say that he will do anything to win. And that is why I dont like him. He reminds me of Clinton. Due to that, I think the DNC Establishment would back him, especially if it came down to Buttigige or Sanders.

    I think the DNC Establishment loves Bloomberg for two reasons: He is Wall St. personified. They like that, money and power. And he has bags full of his own money he can spend against Trump. Money they dont have.

    IF Sanders were to win, I think it would irrecoverably split the Democratic party. Sanders supporters would take seats in the DNC committees, and drive out the DNC Establishment. I am ok with that. It is the equivalent of driving a wooden stake into the hart of The Establishment vampire. Having said that, those in Congress, the non-progressive Democrats (aka Establishment) I think would fight against their own “Democrat” WH to maintain the status quo. Even if that means siding with the GOP to sideline/stop some of Sanders waayyyy out there ideas. The question is, who would his running mate be?

    The only ones I like is Yang, Gabbard, just because they are by their own admission, outsiders. The DNC Establishment does not like that.
    I like Klobachar, as she seems genuine to me.

    Regardless, unless the Democrats can get their crap together behind one nominee, we will have another 4 years of Trump.

    2024 . . . now that could be real interesting.

  • #26152

    namelus
    Participant

    The Virginia House Just Passed a Bill that Bans Assault Weapons–And More

     

    So here is gun grab against constitution 2a a outright treason. See what protesting does …..yeah now it’s our move next

  • #26156

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    Has it passed in the Senate?

  • #26170

    namelus
    Participant

    The Senate has not stopped any of the other guncontroll bills why would this be any different?

  • #26186

    namelus
    Participant

    they only stopped the gun storage bill the assault weapon ban is still live and we’ll no modifications yet to bill. Sure no need for safe storage if no gun to start with and another set of anti gun legislation  on itsome way this is so far from over because it is played as defending gun rights rather than trEason for modifying the bill of rights illegally with zero authority.

     

    Only way this tinkering stops is if the person  doing this gets such a penalty that other elected officials are scared shitless of messing with rights of the people.

     

    A government fearin the people is freedom when we began and fear  them it’s tyranny

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