January 25, 2021 at 8:28 pm #32161
I know Namelus stated they had some but I wasn’t sure if anyone else did. It’s a deck of cards with questions or scenarios that you ask a group and then everyone responds.
The responses can vary greatly because of life experiences. Open discussions are often heated but can be kept civil. Anyone who can’t might be a red flag for you to deal with now.
Here is an easy question from them
Here is a more difficult one
I find them interesting but the answers and reactions more so.
January 26, 2021 at 10:41 am #32166
Will have to look into getting those.
January 26, 2021 at 2:43 pm #32167
Hey, anyone be interested in playing the “game” here on the forum?
Be like a open table top discussion.
January 26, 2021 at 5:56 pm #32169
I would play but i think it should be in the need an account area.
I would say nothing and keep on loading up. We do go to a box store every once awhile mostly shop now direct from wholesale or local farmer trade. Reason if they dont get it now nothing last minute will.give them right mind set to survive.
They would if they listen to you buy some extra food… depending on what type of scenario electricity may not be available so a complete waste. No extra water to.prepare most foods , no fuel /heat sources not grid tied. Plus most would believe MSM and think it’s no big deal.so.share with neighbors thinking it will be back to normal next week.
As with the death one …. we are prepared for that all I will say is you wont have pain and simply fall asleep never to wake. All sourced locally so easy to get hands on.
There is another card with $300 and what do you buy to get home..here I would say $1000 what would you buy at box store?
January 27, 2021 at 8:28 am #32189
I would play but i think it should be in the need an account area.
We can move it/start it in the Off-Topic-Chit-Chat section.
January 26, 2021 at 9:34 pm #32177LittlesisterParticipant
Interesting set of cards. But for the first one, no I would not share what I know with strangers. I figure if they aren’t keeping up with the news on it and it has been on the news already. Then they are on their own. One reason is that if I am stocking up to fill in gaps in what I have plus extra meat for canning, etc. There could be a chance if I told someone I didn’t know what I was doing and they need to stock up as well. Who’s to say they won’t follow me to my car, let me load it up and then follow me home to rob me of my preps. Not likely to happen but you never know.
As for the second question from those cards. I am already going through a situation with my DH. He can barely walk. Cannot pull himself up out of bed to a sitting position all Because of loss of muscle in left leg and CHF. He is in no pain and there is no way I would end his life because of it. Though it is very hard on him having to have me do everything for him, and we already know there is no hope for recovery from CHF. Both our feelings on it is that when God is ready to take him, he will. Am I ready for that? NO. But I know it will come one day. As for medical help, I can’t get him the help he needs now. So it would not be anything new for me when SHTF. I am already there.
January 26, 2021 at 11:56 pm #32183
crow bar, i too would be interested in ‘playing the game’
as to sharing information, i’ve tried over the 6 years i’ve lived here to ‘hint’ things may get difficult.
what i hear is ‘oh you’re just on the internet all the time and believe all that stuff.’
yup.. on the internet where i go to about 15 sources every day.
and do research on new points of view.
mean while they are watching MSM news that all say the exact same thing about every event.
so have pretty much given up trying to help people be prepared.
January 27, 2021 at 5:41 am #32185
An Internet forum is a good place to try this scenario game. I got a couple decks of these cards but couldn’t get any interest at home for it.
1) If the SHTF were clearly coming down tomorrow and folks in the market were eyeing my cart suspiciously I’d tell them to bugger off and get out ASAP: “Toilet paper is in Aisle 12” , and watch them move out as a pack while I head to checkout.
2) Even the best of modern medicine can’t always bring us back to recovery. We as a family had to agree to remove the ventilator on a relative who was dying of covid; after 2 weeks intubation (which is so uncomfortable the doctors have to medically induce a coma to keep a patient from ripping it out), his organs and life systems failed one after another. There was nothing left to do.
January 28, 2021 at 2:12 pm #32320
I’m going to urge caution on answering some of these.
For instance the death one. You don’t want to say “yeah I’d off them” then something bad happen to that person later and they do an internet search and find that statement making you suspect #1. It’s one thing in your group but entirely another on the net where we are labeled domestic terrorist for smoke living and unapologetic viewpoints.
January 28, 2021 at 2:32 pm #32321
On the question of helping folks at the store. No I’m not going to start preaching to the sheeple in Walmart trying to change them however I can say I might help a fellow preparedness minded one looking because I did so when covid was about to hit. I overheard a very young couple talking looking for an item and the wife and I quietly showed them what to get and where it was located. I believe in helping those who are trying within reason
January 28, 2021 at 7:37 pm #32345
On the death question. This is actually one the wife and I have discussed at length due to certain illnesses and factors. It not one I’d wish on anyone. It is important to hash out now in order to avoid conflict later or at least attempt to.
in the meantime
January 28, 2021 at 3:28 pm #32322corsaireParticipant
1. No. I dont want to start a convo and have people fishing for info, as in “you live in the area? ect. I want to be as grey man as possible. Quietly putting things in my cart and moving on.Now I would share that info with close friends and help them out.
2. I dont think I could. Would I make them as comfortable as possible? yes, but end their life, dont think so.
January 29, 2021 at 9:05 am #32708
I dont see the point of trying to convince some people of the need to prep in that scenario.
And, while I dont care what they think, likely they will think I am a kook and not listen anyways.
Oh, here is a story a good friend of mine told me.
He lives on the coast in SC. Hurricane territory. Hurricane was coming, he decided to pick up a few extra things. He was standing in line, lots of people were they also buying. Woman in front of him had a shopping cart full of microwave dinners. He asked her would she heat those if the power went out.
She responded somewhat snarky that she would use the microwave oven.
She turned back around. Stood there for a moment. And then what she just said dawned upon her, and she left the cart there and stormed out of the store.
January 29, 2021 at 2:52 pm #32710
Next two questions anyone game?
January 30, 2021 at 7:55 am #32989
In those type of environments it won’t take Lexi long to figure out anything. It’s very similar to prison in that you will know by dinner how things are. It’s rarely a slow process.
She will have to distinguish between them watching her for their safety, as she is also an unknown, or watching her for escape. She will need to see how open others are about how it is there.
January 29, 2021 at 2:58 pm #32711
January 30, 2021 at 8:02 am #32990
Find out why she got kicked to the curb.
Figure out if there’s still any emotions as drama isn’t needed. Figure out if whoever is with her is gonna have any emotions about it. Drama kills
Vetting process should be the same for everyone regardless. If you know that person and they are of true quality then you should be willing to not vote and allow the group to do so.
If they aren’t bringing anything I’m not going to lean towards that however I can usually find uses for everyone. The other question is are they teachable?
January 30, 2021 at 10:51 pm #33104
I guess for me it says they dont bring anything to group, so do they think they are entitled to anything from you and yours? The next is how much of a finite resource will you be using to integrate them into your group. Is there any other people who want in.
There is always a reason for a split ask a friend in group what they saw in interactions during breakup a more balanced veiw.
Nut in my current situation I would no vote them simply because we have quality people who have skills and resources we are vetting no reason to give up finite space to lackluster applicants.
January 31, 2021 at 8:05 am #33110
Well, an obvious tell would be others tied up.
Do some appear to be nervous or anxious?
Is she not allowed to talk freely with others?
Signs of physical abuse?
January 31, 2021 at 8:07 am #33111
Nelsons group: If not adding anything to the group of significance, and the very real possibility of some old feelings or perceived rival, real or not could bring a volatility to the group.
I’d vote nay.
February 1, 2021 at 7:11 pm #33221
Lexi; are her new acquaintances overly eager to bring her on board? Are other women in the group acting like they are hostages? Are there any children around, and how do they react to Lexi?
February 1, 2021 at 7:22 pm #33222
Nelson: can two more members do enough useful to warrant the extra strain on food and other resources? More bodies means more work can be accomplished, whether weeding and harvesting or scavenging, but safety and security get more complicated. More eyes looking out for dangers can mean more rest for everybody else.
February 1, 2021 at 8:03 pm #33223
… But the “ex” thing is worrisome. Can they let bygones be bygones, or will emotions spin out of control and threaten the safety of all concerned?
March 4, 2021 at 11:03 am #34137
It would be situation dependent. If it was TEOTWAWKI where there’s more death than life then yeah I’m getting in the cabin. If it’s because society broke down and I had to leave a city area I might wait and sleep in the car or something. If the weather was grave like our recent cold snap then I’m going in.
I’ll hang on to my moral compass as long as possible
March 4, 2021 at 2:03 pm #34141
If teowaki I would love in right away no point in waiting.
In today’s world if in my area now we have a few such cabins. People moving in would not be treated kindly with exception of known people and the condition of items and cabin would be taken into consideration. Either way it would be prickly when or if others showed up …. more to the point would you give up cabin and how far would you go to keep it. Think late fall early winter and now someone comes to claim cabin… all the preps for winter done the party that leaves has a 1 in 4 chance to survive… now what?
March 4, 2021 at 3:41 pm #34144
Well, if the ROL is out the winder, I think I would be inclined to go for it.
However, I also would not ransack it, or be disrespectful of personal items.
IF the owner shows up, 1) how does he/she prove they are the owners? Just saying so, does not make it so (unless it is obvious as they are the ones in the photos hanging on the wall). 2) Are they going to come shooting and not ask questions?
I would be willing to say, “Hey, my bust, my apologies, me and mine will be on our way.” IF they are not shooting.
Then again, what is their situation? Could this be a mutual beneficial relationship, whereas we have the skills and they are lacking? Safety in numbers or more hands to make fast and easy work to secure the cabin, get more fire wood, hunting etc.?
March 6, 2021 at 6:05 pm #34179
You’d have to very deep in SHTF to attempt a rural squatter’s homestead. If you attempted to move into any place near my neck of the woods you’d have 3 or 4 neighbors in your face in pretty short order, inquiring about your bizness. A WROL disaster in your big city is merely somebody else’s problem in the outback places we tend to favor. What might work out is negotiating a rental agreement with the owner, on the spot. A mob of squatters is nothing but trouble but a group that can provide labor and extra hands may prove more compelling a reason for someone to let you stay.
March 7, 2021 at 12:05 pm #34196
For me there is no perfect singular weapon. There are just too many factors and variables. I think a light is needed, penetration needs to be considered, it should carry enough ammunition and muzzle blast shouldn’t be too obnoxious.
March 7, 2021 at 7:55 pm #34205
Its would depend on distances amount of defenders attacker and skill level with weapon system
Best weapon is your mind fused with body that can persevere in tough situations along with a ruthless streak.
March 8, 2021 at 8:24 am #34214
Too many variables to consider.
Do I live in an apartment with thin walls and have to consider over penetration, possibly killing the people next door? Heck, that can be applied to most modern construction homes sitting on postage stamp sized lots.
Otherwise, I would have to go with a short barreled shotgun, with a EO sight and a mounted light.
March 11, 2021 at 2:49 am #34293
Two big dogs. They advertise security to passersby, are a noisy early warning of hostile action, distract intruders, and provide effective non lethal defense.
March 11, 2021 at 6:50 pm #34311
cause I’ve got a lot of survival food and I’m gonna be selfish
March 13, 2021 at 10:49 am #34370
I’d head to the counter right now with anything I already had, because everybody else will be grabbing just a few other things also and will be backing up at the register in about 90 seconds. Get out while you can before the riots start!
March 12, 2021 at 8:30 am #34321
Coffee, candy, batteries, butter, salt, hit the spices and Asian isle and then get the f-out.
With the exception of the candy, we have a supply of those items, but if this is the last trip for the foreseeable future . . .
March 12, 2021 at 1:34 pm #34342
Jelly belly jelly beans and cigarettes first for me second to trade….. would also buy more trade items like diapers formula and otc meds.
We are pretty good with food and the rest.
Batteries but not the small kind , in Costco or Walmart mart would.buy ones for ATV and vehicles.
Would also pick up more hygiene products including baby wipes….
March 12, 2021 at 1:58 pm #34344
March 12, 2021 at 2:13 pm #34345
That ones easy for me. I’d never be the last one as I’ve always got an exit plan. I’m gone.
I’ve done corrections. I ain’t letting anyone out. It’ll only go bad for the CO.
Some will whine bout there being good folk who just made mistakes and your not wrong but that’s just not something you’ve got time to figure out when times short and it’s the end of our world.
March 13, 2021 at 1:19 pm #34375
Leave and go home to get into bunker rest are on thier own.
No way letting hundreds of criminals loose even for an hour would not equal someone getting hurt by them.
If it does not happen , community meeting about it as it is a ready pool of labour which can be harnessed.
March 17, 2021 at 2:40 pm #34614
… or live fire target practice. That’s what they did in the the Russian revolution.
March 17, 2021 at 11:10 pm #34622
For me I’d wait. The wife and I always put the kids safety and welfare first.
12 miles isn’t much in a straight line but with a multitude of routes like in a city it’s a nightmare to locate a single individual.
March 18, 2021 at 8:22 am #34630
Yeah, I would wait too.
Would not like it, be climbing the walls, but better to wait.
If she just so happened to be at her NG unit, likely she would be safe there more than anywhere else.
March 19, 2021 at 9:43 am #34669
She probably is still sitting at her office playing video games on her Kindle and waiting for me to pick her up. In my car, Which isn’t running due to the emp. After 2 days I’d hand the kids over to some neighbor parents, and take a bicycle and head down her normal route home, with a sidearm and a radio, and keep a look out for trouble. If weird stuff appears ahead I’d turn around and go home.
March 19, 2021 at 11:27 pm #34679
Leave wife to her own devices and keep kids safe.
In current situation we have a 2 teams for off farm situations, I would not be allowed to go as I have other responsibilities for the group.
Also the nearest village is much further than 12 miles.
Barrens her kindle would not work after employees
March 20, 2021 at 1:54 pm #34687
EDC for me is a 9mm however I think it’s totally up to the individual based on needs. Those needs include the physical size of a threat, the number of possible threats, the caliber you can control, the distance you might engage the threats. To me it’s just more important that you do EDC because safe queens don’t save anyone and vehicles are terrible holsters.
March 20, 2021 at 10:18 pm #34691
Me it’s a 45 though I got a 5.7 concealable.
Many work areas have same 2 a shot gun and an ak platform somewhere inside. They are the most reliable in any weather.
Yup matt and shooting without practicing draw and shoot a moving ypu/ target is not training for real life.
March 21, 2021 at 10:28 am #34696
Every person;s situation is different.
Most of my time out in the fields, a pistol is not going to do me very much good against fox or coyotes, ranges being 30-100yrds.
But carrying a .22LR rifle, or other long gun is not easy either while doing chores.
I have tried, the above mentioned fox and coyotes.
March 23, 2021 at 11:28 am #34755
I carry a G26 and spare full size mag. I carry a Dark Angel pocket dark mini. I’m trained as well as experienced in trauma first aid. I’m accustomed to violence.
In my bag and vehicle I carry more. I’ll not elaborate but y’all know.
Be careful about insertion into the situation as you may receive fire from both sides. Be willing to accept possibilities if you choose to get involved. “So Others May Live” might involve your death. That doesn’t mean you don’t step up it means you accept the truth that the situation is confusing and no one is clearly marked.
The most important thing is keep your head. Run, Fight, Hide works. Stay alive. Help others when you can.
March 23, 2021 at 12:02 pm #34756
read the timelines in reference to this card
March 23, 2021 at 1:20 pm #34757
I find it oddly coincidental that all the 2A posters on YT have been saying “the next FF is just around the corner”, then this pops up… but the perp was clearly prepared for havoc, with body armor and all.
March 23, 2021 at 2:20 pm #34758
These things would shape scenario for me… if alone and multi gun men with obvious training I would choose to evade , if i could help some great if not i am not a guardian for strangers
My bug out bad is usually in a vehicle so if in a office or reataraunt or store I would only have EDC. 24 rounds of 45 … if a single shooter at distance 30 to 50 yards I could possibly maneuver into a a position to end it. This would only happen if others in my group where in danger or there was no way out or a reasonable place to hide.
If being movie hostaged and they get too close as single opponent I feel I would have a better than 70 percent chance of taking one guy with a gun with bare hands/knife and 10 yards and under. Unfortunately i have experience in this aswell.
Skills been In two way shooting range many times, keep well practiced with weapon system. Also hand to hand and knife. I dont look like much of a threat have extra pounds to lose and grey hair grandpa look. But all.day every day heavy farm work. No time for gym stuff needs doing lol
March 24, 2021 at 8:32 am #34770
The blade is always an option. Removing air and blood helps when fighting someone. This guy was armed, armored, a wrestler, young, mental case who with string beliefs who is used to violence and had just recently beat someone into submission with his fist.
Work and gyms have their place to keeping in shape and the value of both can’t be understated.
image borrowed from American Partisan
March 24, 2021 at 7:47 am #34767
What did Henry Ford say about exercise? It’s bunk. “If you’re healthy you don’t need it, if you’re sick you shouldn’t take it”.
March 24, 2021 at 8:05 am #34769
Lol Henry never fought for a living.
Great theory for those just walking around. Not so much for those that actually do or those on here that are supposed to be prepared. Not to mention the ability to do manual labor that will be required in the many possibilities of collapse where gas isn’t available and power may not exist. We are supposed to be separating ourselves from the herd being into preparedness. It’s not just having stuff.
I cut down a tree, bucked it and cut wood manually with saw n ax and it went from 45 minutes with chainsaw to all day and lunch in between.
Physical fighting requires cardio endurance or quick finish. It requires mental to stay calm even when your losing. It requires skill because you might not be fighting just a nut job you might be fighting a true believer.
Find a bag or suitable replacement and punch and kick for 1 minute as fast as you can. Set a timer and give me 1 solid minute. Y’all lemme know
March 24, 2021 at 5:30 pm #34777
1 min 30 seconds is about all I can do all out on bag. Without a rest…. however each shot partially folds a 200 pound heavy bag with someone holding it.
As I age I am losing my speed… have to make up for it in treachery in a fight, other thing is to hit with every last ounce of weight and go soft till last second harden it makes you have more stamina as tense muscles are slower and take away force impact.
We practice sometimes with older pig carcass so about 300+ lb of hang weight… a good sized human and see how your strikes damage ribs and joints. Most of the pigs that size have 3 plus inches of muscle and fat over the ribs I can break and fracture them from hand elbow knee and kick strikes with single blows from sitting kneeling and face down prone. It wrecks the ribs but we deflesh and sausage grind the remainder. Yummy sausage.
You will require to harden your hands this is not something you should do with no prior training as injury will occur even after training they do. For us it’s the best simulation of hitting a body full force. Also head /neck wrenching force is able to be practiced with safety
Some of the younger members can kick hard enough with the standard steel toe boots we wear to shatter the skull and vertebra at impact points. An older pig like these can not be killed with a 22 lr as it will bounce off a touching behind the ear shot. It’s either the bolt gun or a 410 slug to drop them.
Eye gouges are also practiced on the pig skulls its suprising how much force it takes to do that.
@@mattinoklahoma cutting big trees we found a waste of effort for heating. 8 inches and under work better as you can break without full cuts.
It’s also why we are moving to rocket mass heaters as they burn the branches to get warm no need for big tree and 4 inches and under for most rocket mass heaters works well and is easy to haul .
We also got a firewood machine this year to help you just load logs 10 inches and under set the length and the machine cuts splits and piles (off conveyor belt )
We have a firewood area and have a few logging truck loads of cedar and birch comming for firewood. The local camp site wants to buy 20 chords from us this year. We also have 42 families of older and disabled asking for firewood for upcoming winter so we needed to find a way to be more efficient.
March 30, 2021 at 2:34 pm #34907
There are many cards I won’t post. They ask questions in which no matter how you answer it’ll be a crime by today’s standards.
I don’t want anyone having anything they post come back on them.
March 31, 2021 at 9:08 am #34919
Thank you for that thoughtful post.
March 31, 2021 at 9:31 am #34924
<p style=”text-align: left;”>The shared responsibility leadership has not worked well in my experience. One group stated “John” was in charge of tactics but “Frank” was in charge of the property as it was his. John stated that “Stand To” needed to be conducted but Frank didn’t want his wife getting outta bed that early. It’s just little things like that which caused friction.</p>
March 31, 2021 at 12:19 pm #34928
Matt, this is a good one.
In an ideal world, a military style leadership with a clear cut chain of command, order and discipline. An understanding of mission accomplishment and troop welfare.
But this is far from a ideal world. Too many egos, strong personalities. I have heard of more than a few attempts at groups where there is someone who thinks he knows everything that disrupts and ultimately the group either fails outright, or he leaves.
Then there are situation dependent events where clearly someone has the training and experience and that person should be in charge if the have the leadership capacity.
Other times I think my Amish neighbors have it right: They all have their separate plots of land, their businesses, their families. But when there is a major effort that requires the whole community to support, building a house, raising a barn, the guy with the most experience and leadership works with the owner to make it happen. Everyone out of respect follows as they know at some point in the future, they may be in the same position.
March 31, 2021 at 3:20 pm #34933
Pastor Joe Fox at Viking Preparedness has a good series of this topic going on his Patreon channel. From my experience, the democratic model is impractical in groups of more than maybe half a dozen; people just talk too much and nothing gets done. Somebody’s got to drive the bus.
March 31, 2021 at 8:56 pm #34940
It can be democratic but in go time there needs to be clear leader to follow.
Ie security leader in fight they direct the defense of the camp. However in non fighting time suggestions for training and defenses can be put forth and voted on with logic over ride by the leader. So no one can suggest and vote on utterly stupid idea ie leaving gate open cause it’s too hard and slow to open each time, and by doing this they will save time for workers outside the perimeter. Or that training is too hard so they should just watch a movie instead of doing the exercise.
April 5, 2021 at 11:23 am #35464
<div>Well if he’s your friend and 3 roll up on him and he gets 2 then the other is yours. That’s how friends roll.
<div> If he’s not that good a friend then I guess he’s got to pay the fiddler for the dance. I reckon if he wasn’t listening to me about preparedness then he ain’t that good a friend and I ain’t gonna be at the store with him no way.
<div>Three on one is a lethal confrontation and if you live in a place with stand your ground laws then you’ll be ok eventually but if it’s on the verge of collapse the last place you wanna be is in jail especially with a family. You’ll get left behind them bars to starve n die.</div>
<div>If it’s all bout to collapse are the police really coming? If they are it’s not collapsing that quick. If they ain’t coming then it’s time for y’all to roll on outta there and look elsewhere.</div>
April 5, 2021 at 1:15 pm #35470
IF it truly is on the edge of collapse, there would be panic in the air. I think I would of walked in, feel the vibe of the crowd, and recommend we leave.
However, sticking with the card, violence has ensued, chaos reigns, grab what we can and get the heck out of there.
I agree with Matt, if the collapse is nigh, the police are going to have a lot more worries, and do not rule out the possibility of them also bugging out or tending to their families(re: Hurricane Katrina).
April 5, 2021 at 3:34 pm #35475
We never go shopping as solos or two it’s usually 4 people divided up.into pairs at same.location.
In that case the 3rd guy would not see what freight train hit him to finish the altercation.
We do have some less prepared associates. 90 percent of those we know are heavy into self reliance life style both from desire and the physical attributes of where we live 1 week of emergency supplies means you will probably starve once before you learn better.
We had a main road wash put 1.5 months to get a path through…. no major strains except for some feed helicoptered in.
April 15, 2021 at 1:03 pm #35881
I would need a really good reason to enter into a situation that brings me enemies where I had none.
Like any normal situation I suppose I’d choose on who would benefit my group more.
To enter there’d be barter, perhaps labor assistance and maybe a meal</div>
- This reply was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by Matt In Oklahoma.
April 15, 2021 at 4:49 pm #35885
Yeah, I dont like the idea of being forced into an alliance, whereas staying independent affords more options and less likely hostilities.
April 15, 2021 at 5:42 pm #35886
Why is it an either or situation…. open a barter/trade spot so you can benefit both.
Depending on terrain like matt says there is always some communal project to benefit all. Even a warning system.should strangers arrive, or a mutual protection agreement.
Knowledge transfer and specialized skills most groups have atleast one skilled person like that.
April 15, 2021 at 6:12 pm #35887
You know I really respect the answers from those on here. There’s a lot of folks who will immediately pick sides. They quickly base it on numbers or how they are doing.
Some of the prior questions answered by y’all show thought and maturity.
April 16, 2021 at 11:16 am #35898
Well, I am not under the delusion that my group is made up of former SOF/military types, and more like a mix of people with differing back grounds.
Same with the other group and the community.
There are going to be people with no firearms experience at all. Children or the elderly are a real possibility.
Staying flexible and not getting into a conflict seems to be the better choice for my group.
Working out a understanding to prevent conflicts in the future (e.g. hunting territory, access to fresh water [no one poops within 300ft of a running body of water]) or mutual aid agreements I think would prudent.
April 19, 2021 at 8:59 pm #36008
3 on 1 In the store: reminds me of the shootout from the Grateful Dead song, “Me and my uncle” :
One of them cowboys, he starts to draw,
and I shot him down like he never saw,
shot me another, hot damn he won’t grow old!
In the confusion, my uncle grabbed the gold,
And we high tailed it down to Mexico”
April 19, 2021 at 9:23 pm #36009
Groups at odds: As Lincoln said in his second inaugural address: “with malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds… To do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations”.
Who knows? We may be the ones to resolve the SHTF in our lifetime.
April 19, 2021 at 9:38 pm #36010
Funny tangent about groups at odds. I wound up in the group the other groups are scared of. “Don’t go down that road, they’ll shoot you!” Every now and then a deputy comes around, inquiring why we’re blowing up washing machines and canoes. Uh, because it’s fun? Gotta have something for target practise, and what’s better than a hunk of metal at 400 yards that goes boom! At least I won’t have to worry about the barbarians down the way, ’cause I are one!
April 23, 2021 at 12:25 pm #36127
<div>Do we needs him? His skills?</div>
<div>I would find it no different than I do today in what I’ll ask, look at and require.</div>
April 23, 2021 at 1:27 pm #36136
The card implies we have survived through that initial bottleneck of SHTF.
IF things have settled down, less populace (some estimates I have read say in a EMP situation, failure of the JIT/BAU system of a 90% die off) then sitting down and conducting a interview like process with senior members of the group participating.
What skills does this person have? Give a demonstration if possible of a skill. Do they have documentation to back up their claims? I have a “I love me,” folder with all of Marine Corps schools, promotions, awards, DD214, my EMT/Wilderness EMT certification, employment history, security clearance documentation, and more. Would it survive SHTF? Dont know. But it is there.
What is this persons story?
Could they be lying?
But we got to start somewhere if we are going to try to create our own, albeit small, community.
April 23, 2021 at 10:01 pm #36142
It would depend if we had resources to spare. The amount of men and women.
The already stated skills, and the ability to actually work hard.
We have an area to get people built it’s one small cabin 4 beds and a dorm with 10 beds. They could earn their way in without compromising security of compound.
Right now not really any need for new additions unless a very good dentist.
April 26, 2021 at 1:43 pm #36228
It would stop a lot of power bases that are controlling too much and are too easily swayed by agendas based on money.
April 26, 2021 at 4:16 pm #36233
Agreed with the term limits.
April 26, 2021 at 7:33 pm #36243
Along with that would be end to qualified immunity for everyone every corperations all of them. Just like everyone else you mess up you get sued. Big tech big pharma, news and print media, state elected officials. Everyone on same footing.
May 4, 2021 at 6:57 pm #36406
Tests: the usual – climb a greased pole, battle my strongest warrior, repair some crucial equipment with materials on hand. Tell us a good story.
Better government: Mandatory drug and alcohol tests for all congress and staff. what the heck, lobbyists too. Just like my job; first test positive and you’re fired. Check the big dogs for adrenochrome…
May 6, 2021 at 9:25 pm #36464
I’m not getting the chip. I’m not going to put into print what I’ll do but we will have what we need. DO NOT GO INTO SPECIFICS that’ll be used against you later on the internet
May 6, 2021 at 10:01 pm #36466
RFID tag…. or a neurolink no injectable or permanent tech. You know how much you can “trust” your government
May 7, 2021 at 5:20 pm #36484
I have all the pertinent information on my RealID card, which they can read anytime I’m near any kiosk or store entrance with existing RFID readers. But “more is more” with these guys, would you expect any different? If they place he chip in my scalp I’ll wear a tinfoil hat and rant about radio waves from Mars.They’ll say “he’s paranoid” as they line up at the cattle chute…
May 8, 2021 at 10:49 am #36490
Difference is you cannleave your real id card at home or wrapping it in certain materials will stop broadcast…. what about rfid chip on your hand or forehead
May 9, 2021 at 8:54 am #36505
As with anything, there will be those who will opt out.
An alternative economy could emerge.
May 10, 2021 at 12:05 am #36536
crow bar, i’m pray for an alternate/barter economy.
have prepared with that in mind.
May 14, 2021 at 12:54 pm #36673
Your bullshitting yourself if you think your not taking a risk anytime you talk about it. It’s a calculated gamble.
May 14, 2021 at 11:47 pm #36682
i use examples such as;
when we lived on the farm-ette and got snowed in i was glad to we had lots of TP. (even tho husband gave me the big haha)
or boy scooping up all that XYZ on sale a couple of months ago came in handy when unexpected company came.
vague-ish.. that’s me
May 15, 2021 at 2:38 am #36684
Zero chance once you talk or people see too much. That is even delivery truck at your place too much.
People know about us as a self contained community, some suspect more but there are other religious sects near us that have compounds and farms too.
In hard times that are coming people will remember and try anything to survive… evening you had a few more cans of soup on shelf or had a garden. Some will ask for help when not given some will come back and take, you had best know what you are going to do about it.
May 21, 2021 at 10:45 am #37457
Hopefully with trade and barter in hopes of reciprocity
May 21, 2021 at 11:28 am #37460
“Hi there! My name is Crowbar, I am a Taurus, I like to cook, bicycling, long hikes, shooting MZBs in a loud, grotesque, yet efficient military manner. Here is my I Love Me file. With the various skill sets mentioned in that file, and others that I have, I feel we could come to a mutual arrangement and beneficial to all of joining forces to further ensure our mutual survival above a rudimentary level.
If, not, I will be on my way.”
May 21, 2021 at 1:33 pm #37471
Cautiously….. with cover fire prepositioned…
Over radio first if possible .
Most groups around us we currently have contact and trade with already.
There is a plan for a trading post should shft occur as well as mutual aid and defense strategy.
May 22, 2021 at 8:05 am #37481
That is a good idea right there.
May 31, 2021 at 4:18 pm #37681
For me debts owed that can be collected will be but if not they will probably just be a wash. I’ll take about any kind of useful supplies or labor.
New debts post collapse are not going to happen except in very very limited cases. The old system of collection will come into play. Thing is it don’t lend unless I know I can get it back or I’m willing to part with it permanently.
June 1, 2021 at 4:27 am #37684
We have a trading set up already… most of the trade is for services with some materials.
As for debts it’s a wash after shft. We have a few people who sell our meat products I would consider then a loss at that point as most dont have more than a weeks supply of gas for generator if grid goes down
Debt would be issued by piece work for items or other service. Mainly trade our food ( farm) our skills community for those around us. There will always be need for brute muscle to chop wood saw boards pick Rocks ‘s pick weeds while we can do on our own its away for us to make our lives easier and feed those around so not as desperate.
There is talk of paying militia in food for service. Most farmers here produce way more than can be eaten local. a labor pool is already at work locally except now its dollars not food. There is some concern over this by smaller farms as the leader of militia might try and be a strong man…..no plan is perfect and no plan stays static once started so we will see.
June 1, 2021 at 8:29 am #37689
I think debts will be a good indicator of whom can be trusted and whom cannot.
Someone does not even attempt to settle a pre-SHTF debt post-SHTF, then I will be a lot less inclined to work with them in the future.
I think someones reputation/word will be worth a lot more post-SHTF. It gets around someone does not pay back their debt in trade or labor, that person could find themselves isolated from the community.
June 1, 2021 at 8:26 pm #37695
Agreed. Since that currency won’t cut it post collapse, the old “favor bank” will likely take its place. If you have an outstanding monetary debt and you want to hold any position of trust or consideration with your neighbors and associates it’ll behoove you to ante up, with labor, materials or information, else you won’t get invited to all the best parties anymore. After awhile the old debts will wash away and what will matter is – what good are you now?
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June 9, 2021 at 10:37 am #37873
Obviously I’d like to have both. I generally have the ability to find uses for people as that was my job in the military. As a leader I look at strengths and exploit them by placing them where they need to be.
<div> In my situation I’ve got experiences from overseas that’ll get us through. I’d rather have the muscle. I think it’s gonna be dependent on the groups dynamics.</div>
June 9, 2021 at 10:49 am #37875
Yeah, both would be ideal, but in this case, I think I would opt for the muscle, as I have the knowledge.
In the Marines, I had guys who were bright enough I could teach them most everything.
But then there were those few who by no fault of their own, just could not grasp certain concepts or retain knowledge (I was the “Professor” in boot camp, and put in charge of making sure everyone passed the tests). They were good Marines, but more apt for standing guard, carrying large heavy things, etc.
June 9, 2021 at 8:48 pm #37880
For me would be muscle, right now we are flush on skills.
Most of time would be intermediate choice not the extremes for two reasons …. woman would be dead already In shft with that type illness.. second guy that stupid would have other skills or just playing you
June 16, 2021 at 10:40 am #38044
<div>For me I don’t see any changes in what I’d teach them. It would simply come quicker.</div>
<div>*Not hesitating on decisions getting through the OODA loop</div>
June 16, 2021 at 2:12 pm #38049
Adapt to change rapidly
Understand sun tzu’s teachings and how they apply to every aspect of life
Physical and mental toughness with self reliance.
Manners …. use them words cost nothing action costs blood and treasure, asking nicely with a fair deal is far cheaper than any other option.
June 17, 2021 at 8:39 am #38069
Current society: If it is on the internet/MSM or your school mates are talking about it, suspect it as likely BS/propaganda. Probably call that critical thinking skills.
How to be independent, take action. Dont just follow the crowd.
Know what to do in the most likely emergencies in your area, tornados, wildfires, winter storms, power outages etc. if there are no adults around.
To add: Not really sure. I think I would be teaching them those skill pre-SHTF, not afterwards.
Maybe really hammer home STEM?
June 24, 2021 at 4:38 pm #38214
Current Society: trust but verify / a healthy wariness of others, find your way home, self protection
SHTF:Edible plant recognition, Water collection and purification, tarp shelter construction
June 25, 2021 at 5:34 pm #38228
June 28, 2021 at 8:40 am #38284
That right there.
June 27, 2021 at 10:19 pm #38271
That sounds like a deal with the devil, there’s no way you’re going to come out ahead. If you inform on known informants and play dumb when the sh!t comes down you’ll probably get Arkanicided, but if you turn in your neighbors you’d likely get lynched by angry relatives. Just walk away… Time to start roasting bugs for dinner and come up with Plan B.
August 31, 2021 at 2:37 pm #39855
So this is an interesting one. Im pretty good at assessing people because that’s what I did for a living for a long time. It will also depend on geographic regions because there are many I’m just not going to associate with.
The ones who can get through the OODA will be my choices. Within minutes you’ll see someone slipping out of heels and putting on tennis shoes, someone grabbing a go bag while the rest of the sheeple bleat about their phones. That’s who I’m looking for immediately. Otherwise I’m moving and not communicating and hoping I ain’t gotta shoot.
August 31, 2021 at 7:56 pm #39860
I doubt you would have to shoot right off, but there are always a holes.
Would be looking for next small town/ houses and try and barter for a bike or a motor bike ( kick start)
Group up probably not as no one goes alone now so you have min 1 other person but usually groups of 4.
With go bags set for the trip distance and time of year as well. We have a marking system for road signs for first few days after to notify search team of which towns you have entered and left and what date
September 1, 2021 at 10:35 am #39871
Well, if it is a major road (assuming highway), it only goes two ways. Most everyone on my side was headed in the same direction/destination. Likely, they are going to continue in that direction, unless there is a nearby town in the direction I was coming from.
So, might be a large mass of people all going the same direction (for pop culture reference, War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise, the part where he has the only working vehicle, and is weaving in between stalled out cars on the highway, thongs of people all walking on the side or in the medium).
People pulling out what appear to be BOBs might be more in the same mind set as I, i.e. prepper.
I have a naturally fast pace. So, if someone were to be at my pace, I might strike up a conversation, compare notes.
People to avoid are the ones staring into their phones or looking around for someone to take care of them.
September 8, 2021 at 3:27 pm #40050
Diversity is on its last legs. People are moving to tribalism in a big hurry these days. Avoid people who look or act different or make you suspicious. They’ll be the first ones to roll you, given the opportunity.
September 14, 2021 at 10:20 am #40226
For me it would be being better at engineering
September 14, 2021 at 11:07 am #40229
How to build a wood burning stove, oven, source of heat using only primitive tools/methods.
September 14, 2021 at 1:46 pm #40235
Infloor heating in primative cabin
September 14, 2021 at 2:44 pm #40238
The knowledge / skills of the people who can rebuild many things by hand which we require factory or new parts for. Eg this person.. over here everything disposable need a right to repair Bill’s so you can legally work on your bought property what kind of bs is that
October 6, 2021 at 2:02 pm #41019
Gotta get better at welding. I’m starting to get that half-moon pattern but got a long way to go.
October 6, 2021 at 2:38 pm #41022
Barrens while learning to weld try thermite welding… if power gets short most will not be able to use standard welder so you gave gas or diesel ones, once fuel is scare then what… I am sure you can find rust and aluminum… powder them and set on fire to fuse metals
October 6, 2021 at 5:09 pm #41028
I like tannerite welding, does that count? OK it’s not just welding, it’s more like exploding, but it’s close.
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