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March 15, 2020 at 9:56 am #26743
I have not posted anything new as, well, it is becoming the same ol same ol.
What do we know: It is a very bad version of the flu on top of the flu that is already here. We know the seasonal flu hospitalizes thousands every year and a % of those do not make it.
Covid19 is making that worse.
For those who do get it, it is somewhere between a mild to bad flu. A real bummer.
But, there are those who get it, get it bad and require hospitalization. The mortality rate for those of advanced years goes up when compared to the rest of the population.
The real problem is our heath care system getting overwhelmed with all this additional patients.
Something is going to break.
Then there are the 2nd and 3rd order effects: The supply chain slow down not only of auto-parts and iPhones from China, but medial supplies, Rx drugs, and a whole lot more from China or overseas in general.
Then there is the panic buying at the stores.
And we cannot rule out slow down of restocking of those stores if those people who produce, say a can of beans, they get sick and production of canned beans slows down or halts.
That is the part a lot of Americans do not understand. They think the government can just wave a wand and presto! The shelves are stocked!
Does not work that way.
So, gonna back away from the Covid19 news for a day or two, breath, work on the garden, and post other topics.
Everyone have a good day!
March 16, 2020 at 12:58 pm #26786Anonymous
This too shall pass. There are few fundamental constants. There isn’t a sole survivor of the 1889 flu pandemic. Enjoy the day, it may be your last.
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March 16, 2020 at 1:47 pm #26789
I agree it will pass.
My question is what will everything look like on the other side of this?
There is a lot of opportunity for things for the better.
The question is if people will see and reach for that opportunity.
March 16, 2020 at 2:43 pm #26794
You guys are aware that in Italy, as was in China, that hospitals where overrun, that Dr’s had to make choices, who do they treat?
Yeah, China did build a 1000 bed hospital in less than a week, as only China can do.
And yeah, China did lock down millions of people, as only China can do.
Both the above are not possible in the Western nations.
You are aware that 3.4% of people are going to die from the virus, those are the official stats, but the feeling is that not all the stats are shared, WHO already complained, not naming, those nations who do not supply the “full picture”.
And yea, the economic fiasco, the pending job losses …
What caught me flatfooted, was the fact that South Africa, with just 61 cases, “closed down” as per Sunday evening. I can tell you, I was floored! Well done Cyril Ramaphosa!
What interests me is these two little titbits about the USA:
Coronavirus: anger in Germany at report Trump seeking exclusive vaccine deal
America has no real public health system – coronavirus has a clear run
Some medical news – I’m NOT a Dr, speak to your own Dr:
Anti-inflammatories may aggravate Covid-19, France advises
And then this:
The Chinese have been doing their best to publish this ground-breaking discovery, but nobody in the West seems willing to listen. Websites that tell of these findings keep being taken down or blocked. But if you can speak Chinese, you will still find this information publicly available.
Why is this information being suppressed? Follow the money. Big Pharma is holding out for an expensive solution. Vitamin C won’t make anyone rich, and it cures too quickly.
So, what are the best dosages to survive the crisis?
Prevention is better than cure. Especially now.
Children below 12 are probably OK with 500 mg Vitamin C daily.
Older children and adults can take 1000 – 2000 mg Vitamin C daily, either all at once, or in divided doses.
Smokers, the frail and the elderly should aim to take 3000 -4000 mg / 24 hours.
In addition to this, research has shown that even low dose of humble Vitamin D supplementation can halve the risk of respiratory virus infection.
Vitamin D prevents viral replication and is a powerful ally in the war against COVID-19.
Dosage is one 50,000 IU tablet WEEKLY until the threat is over. That averages out to 7000 IU per day, which is more than your doctor is comfortable with, but all recent research points to the safety and efficacy of this dosage.
March 16, 2020 at 3:36 pm #26799
Yes, we are aware.
If you read through the Health Emergencies section, you will see more than a few posts on the topic.
Tell me, do you think the media would be so critical if this happened during the Obama admin? Or if Clinton won in 2016?
Will they give Biden a pass if he wins this NOV?
March 16, 2020 at 4:37 pm #26801
Thanks. The site is getting a wee bit of a challenge to find info fast.
I know Biden, Trump, Obama comparisons etc are very much in American minds right now, elections looming and all that, but I have listened to what the likes of Biden, Bernie, Trump, Pence, Google, CDC, WHO etc SAID in recent interviews since Jan 2020, not what the media wrote on what the media thought they all said or implied. China is a very VERY good example of what has happened, and how to control it. Who would have thought that?
And geez, ANC moving to curb the spread in SA, my word. I was floored.
A few Gov’s are going to face some serious challenges from voters, including even probably dictatorships falling, once this is all over, based on how they dealt with the populace.
What really shocked me was how slow the USA / Europe has reacted, 1st world countries with 1st world health systems, having all the info … the fiasco’s that came to light and the slowness of cluster f … sorry, mess around the testing in the USA, England proposing “herd immunity” plans.
Europe’s numbers are going to overtake China soon … I wonder if the USA is going to overtake Europe?
And then once all has settled, we have Africa still largely “dark”, not “red”, as everything happens “late” in Africa. 🙂
I don’t see Gov’s presenting the real numbers. What people are reporting “on the ground” vs official numbers, somewhere something is “off”.
March 16, 2020 at 6:08 pm #26805
Both parties fully know well that their odds of being elected or re-elected is tied to the economy/stock market. That is why the disparage the economy while the other is in power. Or in this particular case, the Dems making the claim it was Obama’s doing that is the reason why, until Covid-19, that the economy is doing well. Up till then, they claimed the economy was in taters.
China did not take appropriate actions to control or contain this thing. If they would have, they would of shut down all international travel. That was they only solution. They half assed it to try to keep the appearance of control and their economy going, until it was clear they had neither.
Of course the Western/EU response was slow. They are more concerned with PC, and the economy vs what needs to be done. And that would be an isolation stance. That is counter to everything the EU is, and what PC is to the US. Recall all the talk about how bad nationalism, tribalism is pre-Trump?
March 16, 2020 at 6:48 pm #26808
I cannot debate in too much detail the nuances of USA politicking.
As a complete outsider looking in, what I see, between Covid-19 and the preliminaries, the focus is split. Everyone’s full attention is required, politics should take a backseat, as difficult as that can be.
At the moment I lean towards a view that points to the USA risking to become a Covid-19 “winner” ito total infected, critical cases and deaths with a potential of complete financial collapse due to the 1) USA’s immense debt and 2) the Saudi’s and Russia having a bit of a debate around the oil price.
And IF in the end the USA leads the world ito deaths because of Covid-19 and politicking, the Chinese may just look like the “good guys”, with the PetroDollar something of the past.
Not for one moment do I believe that any country can contain the virus unless they close all borders and stop any and all movements with extreme prejudice. Close down cities with the same extreme prejudice.
China could not even try to initially shut down all international travel, nor can the USA. People will move. China did make mistakes, but they have to be given a huge lump of credit for what they did right within weeks.
And shutting down flights from Europe, yet allowing Green Card holders and USA Citizens to return from Europe … okayyy … that is not going to work so well at all.
In the end, the numbers, viral and financial, will tell which country acted with the best foresight, which plans worked the best, ready for the next outbreak, as this is not the first and most definitely not the last.
S Korea and Singapore, off the top of my head, seem to be leaders in containing their spread.
March 16, 2020 at 5:10 pm #26803
Me, I want to get infected with both strains NOW whilst there are still beds available in case I need one.
Otherwise one needs to go into lockdown until:
1) There is a vaccine – it could take months still.
2) There are beds available again – could take months depending on what transpires where one lives.
March 16, 2020 at 7:40 pm #26810namelusParticipant
you can’t get immunity through sickness and recovery and if you need a ventilator…. good luck with that… we have cpap and o2 condensers but only enough for 2 people . At hospital good luck with that.
Also most hospitals have massive fungal infestations inside iv and respiratory equipment just what you need when sick.
Add to that there is a possibility that you only go into remission and the damages from each infection of your interstitial plural lining is cumulative. .. avoiding is by far best idea.
March 16, 2020 at 7:59 pm #26811namelusParticipant
And don’t forget hospitals are full of antibiotics resistance super bacteria…. not like just covid 19…..most hospital deaths are from secondary infections.
They are in italy saying of over 65 and sick don’t come they can’t help you as mess are for the young.
UK says over 70 self isolate and on your own.
Even when done with covid 19 many will starve as no food which was already a problem before virus but after .
I also don’t know too many that wI’ll have means after stock market is done with its gyrations. It was planed or why did last year 1300 top ceo step back and cash out.?
Also look at how many top micro biologist have died since 9/11coinicence right.. so so many coincidences
March 17, 2020 at 2:10 am #26813
Namelus, you do make some very good points. And yes, there are some peculiarities about the deaths. Four Dr’s in China already died. The % of people dying also may be higher than the official records.
Japan did not discriminate against age, ito the people on the Diamond Princess. Dave Abel and his wife. He is 65, is a diabetic and the got acute pneumonia, his wife a light case of pneumonia. Both were sorted for pneumonia within days, they are back in England virus free … after +-29 days since the ship was quarantined. Cudo’s to the Japanese.
We also have top quality private hospitals, medical aid that will pay for the tests and hospitalization, we have paid leave and paid sick leave. So with all that in our favour, I’m betting on the fact that we will be one part of the large percentage who has mild or no symptoms.
Timing ito when and how to get immunity is the core decision here as every single person on earth will get this virus. Either via infection or a vaccine.
Looking at China, at this moment it seems that unless one can batten down the hatches for 3-4 months in complete isolation, the risk is very high to get infected before a vaccine is commonly available, as this virus can stay alive on surfaces outside the body from a couple of minutes to 9 days, depending on circumstances and surface.
March 17, 2020 at 2:22 am #26814
O man, this had me in stitches!!!
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March 17, 2020 at 4:35 pm #26830TolikParticipant
$100 says , that after this is over , prepping to some degree will be the new American norm .
March 17, 2020 at 5:48 pm #26833Anonymous
I hope you are right, but how many learned to prep because of the yearly hurricanes. Da*n few. However, this world wide event has everybody’s attention, except for a few clueless hollywood stars.
March 18, 2020 at 8:39 am #26836
@Log Man, I think you are right, as this is not just limited to a given region like a hurricane landfall would make.
I think what makes it more real is it is not just Bob or Jane, the Average American in some other city or state, but the rich and famous like Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson, NBA players, etc. who are getting it.
Would like to think more people would at least have some preps after this, but some will just pass this off as a onetime only thing.
If there were to be another outbreak they will claim it is not like last time!
Those are usually the same people who say this is just a bad flu.
March 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm #26834
Yeah, you cannot grasp the stupidity of some people …
Coronavirus: Gauteng health tracks down family that refused to be quarantined after testing positive
The Gauteng Department of Health was forced to approach the courts when a mother and daughter refused to be quarantined after testing positive for Covid-19. The woman’s husband refused to be tested.
The pair, who could not be identified, tested positive after undergoing tests. The woman’s husband refused to be tested.
A couple of hours later the Courts ruled in favour of the Health Department, Police went to pick the family up, they are currently being attended to at a designated health facility.
March 18, 2020 at 8:40 am #26837
You see the one about young people saying, “Well, if I am going to die, I might as well as be at Disney World!”
Then we start seeing reporting of young people who got it, survived and some had serious scarring of the lungs.
March 18, 2020 at 10:37 am #26842Anonymous
A woman, who was a collage professor, who was a generation older than me and for whom I had a great deal of respect, once told me that many young people in the 1950s and 1960s had the attitude “Why should I go to college? We are going to die in WW3 anyway”. Clearly the irresponsible will find an excuse to be irresponsible.
March 18, 2020 at 11:34 am #26847
More and more reports surface about some people left with scarred lungs.
February 24, 2021 at 2:32 am #33928Steve DeckerParticipant
At the very beginning of the quarantine, I was very worried and followed all the precautions. I almost never left the house, tried not to meet any of my friends and checked the latest news about the covid situation in the country on BBS and Kisspr News. To my great surprise, I managed to get infected with corona and become one of the hundreds of cases in the list, which is constantly updated on https://news.kisspr.com. I was very lucky and I was ill in a mild form, I had a slight temperature, loss of smell and partly taste. However, you are absolutely right that due to the disruption of supplies and the panic of our citizens, it is very difficult to buy the most necessary medicine, such as arbidol.
February 24, 2021 at 8:26 am #33931
I too was very concerned at the onset.
But we did not know much at the time.
As we learned more, it seems it is no worse than the flu. Of course protect those who are most vulnerable.
The reaction since then has been over the top and can and needs to return to normal.
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