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Yup several companies have put out videos to quell the naysayers and conspiracy theories. It’s just the perfect storm and how folks didn’t see it coming is beyond me.
The election was enough but the combined fuel really added.
Even if things stabilize it’ll be years before normalcy but that’s doubtful given the conditions. What’s killing it now is folks paying outrageous prices still and still buying guns with no ammo.
I know of at least one guy who is planning on using his limited capacity to kill enough to get more. He’s very vocal about it.Food and maybe water is next IMO
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You gotta wonder exactly what kind of person would wait until this point in time, before they decided to buy a gun….or spare ammo?
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A person who just came of age?
A person dealing with other problems?
I can remember 1994, and the trading and swapping that happened then, people changing from one make/model to another one that was on the “ban list” and the prices associated with such.
Then there’s those that just got into them then, it happens, pretty much every time we have a problem.
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Thats where the old farts like us come in . We grew up with guns , and most of us have several , more than enough to provide one or three to our younger family members . Depending on what state you live in , all perfectly legal , AND under the radar . One of the few good things Arizona is good about …………few gun laws .
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<div>One of our local 3 gun competitions has been canceled due to the shortages and the pistol competition will be a limited round count much like the days of Sandy Hook shooting panic buying.</div>
<div>The ranges are full but only shooting what is on hand so folks are not spending a lot of time there. I saw a lot of 22s there too.</div>
<div>Training has crashed between ammo and covid.</div>
<div>Hunting stayed steady it seemed.</div>
<div>What this tells me is it’s short term fear hoarding. That’s gonna be a lot of shooting if something else happens.</div>-
I am surprised to hear people are shooting their .22LR.
I got out the Izzy the other day (https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/IZH_46M_Match_Air_Pistol/78)
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Lol yeah no cheap ammo unless you have connection to owners of factories and even then they have to owe you large as endless demand.
You can find some overseas if you have the permits or way to.import.
As for 22 why stop after first few barrels of ammo…. cosmoline sealer and away you go….. right now honestly we dont buy much new ammo just reload stuff. With Dillon systems we push out 1300 finished an hour.
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Yeah just as well laugh cause 6.5 Grendel is gone.
gonna get a new barrel and use a spare BCG when I run out I guess.
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See this one?
Now, if they made that one in 6.5 Grendel or 7.62×51, I would buy one!
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So we’ve had several gunshows recently and I’ve gotten a lot of calls and texts since.
It seems 9mm is sold in sandwich bags now and in the rush to buy ARs some rather unscrupulous dealers are building junk and selling them to these idiots who know nothing.
The PSA complete lowers we’re going for $500 even though you can order them for 1/2.
Last nights call and text was an AR10 that the bolt wouldn’t even lock back. Yeah that’s gonna happen when you put a shorter buffer tube on it like they did.Seriously tell folks to calm down, use their heads and be smart. Guns and ammo aren’t magic and ya can’t surround yourself with them to ward off evil.
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Stopped at academy this morning to pick up some athletic gear. Ammo line was around the building with bunch of kalifornia tags in the parking lot. I’m being told that KBI follows Kalifornians to the gunshows in Nevada n Arizona and then arrests them as they drive back because Kalifornia has a 5 day wait period background check on ammo now too. Dunno if that’s true but it sounds plausible.
They got in Tula 223 n 9 and they were losing their minds.
Winchester 12ga AAs skeet shells sold out before I picked a swimming suit.
I didn’t get in the line.
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I found a new gas station on a reserve that was selling guns and ammo….. had a pallet of Soviet canned ak ammo 10 cases of .22 or Winchester black. 6 cans of 12 gauge 2 3/4 buck00 and skeet steel. 10 vinyl bags of 5.56…. 9mm about 5000 rounds…. clerk kinda looked weird as we took it all. Super lucky find gas station was grand opening today… just happened to stop buy as open sign on window….
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They also plan on making everyone go through a phychological exam if you own a gun. The plan I think is to go through the federal gov. I will take one if Biden and Harris along with Clinton and others take one also. They are the problem not us. Either way they are going to try to enforce us first through a pay out plan to pay us if we turn them in on our own. After that they will go door to door. This is what some of the news media are saying. I will just sit back at this point and see what happens.
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“8 million first time gun owners in the U.S. in 2020. If each of those new gun owners purchased a 50ct. box of ammo, that’s 400,000,000 rounds.“
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So guys to train to reasonable proficiency what amount would you say as first time shooter/owner?
Me I would say minimum would be 2000 rounds for first platform with 500 to change to different but same style platform. This is considering most will have atleast 3 separate platforms. A shot gun a rifle and a pistol.
This is not well trained this is being able to somewhat hit a paper target without endangering yourself or others. Well trained well really where is the limit? We put through min 200 rounds a month per platform to keep skills up…. I would suggest 500 on your primary rifle and your pistol… atleast 100 with shotty.
So for 8 million new users to get minimum qualifications on my numbers it would be 16,000,000,000 and 4,000,000,000 a month to keep minimum skills on one possibly 2 weapon platforms.
So how many do you think can or will do this let alone advance training or do you think they bought it as magic charm to wave around and have problem retreat in fear.
You are going to see some horrific accidents and people getting killed like selco was saying guy with gun killed by guy with knife….
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@Namelus,
Great point.
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I found some of where the ammo is with the new 8 million
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Under marshal law, my understanding is that they will call out the national guard and or military to go door to door. Under socialism and communism they will want to spread the wealth. They will take your food and guns. And anything else they find they think they might need for the sake of feeding the needy. We will all be needy at the rate they are going. I read somewhere that they were going to use the police but after the way they have treated the police and now wanting defund them. The Dems won’t get any help from them. Biden has already signed over 40 executive orders. More than any other president ever has. He has sold us out and they are lining their pockets already.
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I have always wondered on that one.
When I was in the Marines, in NCO school we had a class about following lawful and unlawful orders.
Where would that fall into a gun confiscation, door-to-door scenario? Even if Congress passed a law?
Would officers resign their commission?
Enlisted refuse orders?Who knows?
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Some officers would some would blindly follow orders and other would and then later either have regrets about it or quit. The unlucky few will die.
I would think this would tear military/ng into factions and they would loose alot of skilled personnel and not be able to replace easily and for years if ever. Remember the British where recruiting all the way till end of war of 1776. Just few to no takers….
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The hoarding of ammo reaches new heights daily. Most stores with ranges have laid off folks because there is no one shooting. The flip side of it is they still won’t allow steel cases because they sell back the brass. That’s stuck on stupid on their part. Let folks shoot their tula and make a few bucks rather than none. A magnet will sort the floor stuff out.
Make sure y’all keep up your skill sets. Allot a portion of your holdings to proficiency. If all you’ve got is a hundred rounds then I get it stay with dry fire but I know some with10K rounds who’ve not gone since BC before covid.Surrounding yourself with boxes of ammo and lined walls of guns won’t save you. Hitting the target will.
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So my son decided to buy a rifle from someone. Great timing right? Lol. I can’t blame him the price was right and it’s still legal today. The good news it’s in a caliber which I’m seeing everywhere being x39.
So I was out this morning and went to academy and picked up some. 100rds steel for $38. They are now getting ammo trucks in several times a week.
I even got some Hornady 6.5 Grendel which is the first batch of non Kommie stuff I’ve seen in a while.
Last week I got 100rds Aguila 117gr HP 9mm for $54. I’m hardly hurting for ammo but if it’s a decent deal on expanding stuff I’ll pick it up.
A buddy texted this morning to tell me he bought 300 CCI stingers for $120.
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While funny, I would think government intervention would be along the lines of legislation ie make gun makers open law suits from mass shooting. Next would be in lisencing and permissions for zoning and the ability to sell both state to state as well as over seas.
Sure you can open and only sell in one state and be liable for anyone who uses your product in an unsafe manner… let’s see them do that to car manufacturers or food companies and fat people responsible for medical Bill’s.
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Price Increase Announced for Winchester and Browning Ammo -The Firearm Blog
- Shotshells + 5%-12%
- 22 Magnum Rimfire ammunition +10%
- Hunting Rifle ammunition + 5%-15%
- All Centerfire Rifle FMJ ammunition +8%
- All Centerfire Pistol ammunition +8%
- Components +10%
- Primers +25% (Due to our current backorder situation, until further notice, Winchester is not accepting new orders on primers)
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Remington Ammo Back In Operation
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/4/1/remington-ammo-back-in-operationI’m guessing they still had still had stock of components on hand
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You know what I’m trying to figure out? I’m trying to figure out where all those folks who said they were gonna trade ammo for stuff are.
Turns out they didn’t have as much as they thought. So maybe I won’t have to listen to that anymore.My favorite has been the great survival god on his blog who was encouraging everyone to sell their ammo preps to “their neighbors”. I called him out and told him to sell me a case or three of his 9 and 556 his on his website so the public could see it and needless to say he declined. Socialism even in preppers or even worse where they wish to weaken others so they are more powerful.
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well like trading pm at this point it’s not valued high enough…
personally I would not exclude ammo trade if and a big IF nothing else would do and we desperately needed others trade item. I do believe with our group that there will be other skills and crafted items that would entice them.
Matt it’s the quote you said earlier somewhere buy it cheap stack it deep….. except now is only cheaper than future as it’s crazy expensive
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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/great-ammo-shortage-2021-real-disaster-182523
”Many individuals now regularly wait for gun shops and other retailers to receive their deliveries and buy up everything they can, only to resell the ammunition days later – in some cases just hours after – online or via gun shows.”
I’ve seen some of this. I’ve also seen some ammo companies doing the same in buying from one and reselling from theirs at higher rates
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Can attest to that . In this region , guns are gone the moment they arrive off the truck . People buying them are OTHER retailers , public doesnt have a chance . I think some modified ” ticket scalping ” laws are needed . Around here , the only things that the big chains have on the shelf , are vintage , oddball guns , that nobody really want . That in the best of times , ammo was hard to get for the oddball calibers . We are talking French , Swiss , Italian , etc . May be actually good old rifles , but pretty much a wall hanger at this point . If manufacturers were worried about the political aspects of what is going on , they would start selling directly to the public , on- line sales only .
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/hunting-gun-sports-app-gowild-ammunition-scams
“If you’re a scammer, this is a great ploy, right? Because you have 8.4 million new people who don’t have loyalty,” “They don’t know what an ammo store should look like. And they haven’t bought online before.”
That is a great point. Thing is I’ve had ZERO newbies come to me for help. It’s all previous gun owners looking for something.
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So we just had an Atwood’s go in next town over which is cool because we’ve not got a lot. Most family stuff shut down years ago and tractor supply is ok but it’s small and still a drive. I went to the grand opening Wednesday morning and they had ammo as in shelf full. I laughed cause it was messing people up because they had choices in calibers, weights and brands. 2 box limit of course but I got me some 6.5 Grendel SST and moved on.
I texted 6 folks to let them know and ZERO went even though they drove right past it coming home from work.
That tells me at least with this bunch the bubble is not growing. Then last night I get 2 messages that they still had 9 and 308 hunting ammo which is crazy. Academy had 308 ball still sitting too.
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I’ve had a lot of irons in the fire lately working on things and it’s required me to shop some. Several of my stores are in the same area so if I hit one I hit them all. Much to my surprise, though it wasn’t a delivery day nor early in the day, there’s been some useable ammo on the shelves. Buckshot and slugs are high still. Everything else is the new higher normal price.
I’m not hurting by any means but pick up a few things I or others could use. I picked up some military grade buckshot for the guy who runs our freeze dryer and some 9mm HP for myself. And of course it’s not the brand or type we would normally use but it’s usable.
I believe it to be getting better though I’ve still not seen things like 30-06 in a long while.
I’m still not seeing reloading components.What are y’all seeing?
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Some glimmer of potential: https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/remington-ammo-back-in-operation/
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Yes most companies are optimistic which is good
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/industry-update-by-powder-valley.1899358/
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So went running around with a buddy today. We went to academy, Atwood’s, Cabelas, bass pro and several local gunstores over in the city. 10mm are dang near non existent and big bores in general are in anything but snubs. It’s crazy.
I watched a guy lose his mind cause he wanted a big bore rifle but they had no ammo for them 😂. To the stores credit they were up front about it as soon as the conversation started. I laughed cause he thought he’d just bop in and pick it all up. You awake now sheeple?
I saw couples buying guns they knew NOTHING about. They expressed worry bout the state of things and .gov. These ain’t right wing flag wavers neither. It’s still an unsettled feeling out there.
On the plus side I bought 80 9mm 124+Ps HST
There some ammo here n there on the shelf still. Plenty of ball.
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There is a theory running around lately , from gun retailers , like Cabellas . They figure that this time next year , it will be over ( for the most part ) , as all the people who went out to buy guns , for all the wrong reasons , will be selling them back . They are looking forward to it . We will see .
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So the local gunshop has stored 1 box of ammo for each gun you buy.
They are selling 9mm and 223 by a baggie with 20rds IF you rent a range lane. What’s interesting is they had these on the shelf for sale too but keep some at the range in case they run out.
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My local gunstore just advertised lots of stock on ammo and no box limits. I’m optimistic that means prices will start to fall soon.
I’ve also seen more used guns on their shelves. I interpret that to mean the sell back is beginning.
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That’s good to hear. I’m seeing more on the shelves
My son just emailed and stated:
“People are buying it to just have it. Was at academy yesterday and an older couple bought 3 22lr bolt actions and straight up said these are for bartering in future if need be. Other than that they will never come out of the box.”
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I dont see prices coming down….. the components and raw materials are stuck in the shipping nightmare as well as there is going to be a crazy inflationary spike coming. If you cant see it in everyday purchases then you should pay more attention. Every government is just printing money it will have a consequence.
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Im doubting stabilization because of the timing of the next election
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This video states ammo is back and prices are dropping quickly
I’m not as giddy about it. Only certain ammunition is back. There are no longer massive lines around academy on delivery day. There are very expensive shotgun shells sitting, either generic or very high priced SP/HP in 556 and 9mm is usually available but still limited are sitting. Things like 10mm, 380, 38, common deer hunting cartridges etc are scooped up as soon as they hit. Black powder is still short. Reloading components are still short on the shelves.
Online ordering has gotten better on prices and time it takes however it’s far from great. We are still a long ways from “what I want”.What are y’all seeing in your areas?
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/ammunition-shortage-impacting-law-enforcement-new-gun-owners
So here’s the thing. This is like the 5th shortage we’ve gone through in recent years. If your agency didn’t prepare just because then there’s not much hope for you. If it was because of budget constraints I get it. If it’s a “defunding” issue I get it. Y’all might wanna look at South Africa and see what happens to cops when they run out of ammo.
As far as instructors loosen up on restrictions. Allow steel cased and reloads. Yes you might have more issues but you’ll have more clients. Feeding my family and paying bills isn’t a hard decision so why is it with y’all?
There’s plenty of ammo out there. Folks don’t wanna order it, pay the higher price and wait the few days.
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So I ran in for parts yesterday and hit the ammo places
I saw lots of 223/556, 9mm, 7.62×39, off brand shotgun buckshot and expensive birdshot sitting. They had got in 38 and a few hunting rifle calibers which were disappearing fast.
The typical guy was espousing his great knowledge on everyone about how the ammo companies were holding back to keep prices up, the military was taking it all and how he got caught with only 4 rounds for two different rifles. His friend quickly pointed out one of his calibers to which he loudly replied “I don’t want Remington”. His buddy looked at him like a three headed dragon and several standing around openly snickered at him.
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Noooooooo 😢
it had Hornady SST 6.5 Grendel I just know it did
Ammo-laden truck catches fire in OKC, ammo pops off in the flames
https://koco.com/article/ammo-laden-truck-catches-fire-in-okc-ammo-pops-off-in-the-flames/37250377
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So stopped in today for a friend after topping off my camper propane tanks and what a difference a week makes. Both Atwood’s and Academy had a decent amount and even had the .40 defense ammo I was asked to look for. I got him a few boxes of Hornady critical duty. They also had the “defense” load. Lots of 9,223, shotgun, 380 etc. some hunting calibers etc.
I’m hoping reloading components come back soon too. I’d like to get back in the water.
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Ammo is slowly clawing it’s way back. What I’m seeing now is more lookie loos than buyers in the stores. I know prices are higher than they were and will be for a while but make sure you hit the range and run a few .
I went to a local indoor range with a buddy who had passes and I had to laugh at the guy at the counter. They check you ammo to see if it’s steel and he looked at me and says “did ya have a clean out day in the closet 😂 “. I just laughed and said “don’t judge me”.I had numerous partial boxes of a wide variety in several calibers.
I did get to print my 10mm offhand at 35yds so that was nice. I’m supposed to go help a guy with a sight in issue at the 50 and 100 outdoors soon so hopefully I can print it there too so I’m ready to carry it hunting as my sidearm.
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Ammo Prices Falling? Yes, But Good Luck Finding The Bullets You Need
The article mentions the many scam sites popping up so I’m going to list a few that I’ve ordered from that are good. The top of the list is an Oklahoma companyhttps://www.sgammo.com
https://www.luckygunner.com
https://www.ammunitiondepot.com
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So basically once the permits run out there will be no more Russian ammo coming in
Amid a Historic Shortage, Joe Biden Hypocritically Blocks the Importation of All Russian Ammunition
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Biden Administration Bans Russian-Made Ammo
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From SG Ammo:
There has been a lot of people asking me about the sanctions on Russian ammo imports put in place by the US state department this past week and what it means for the future of ammunition supplies. There will be more clarity in several weeks when we can see the publication of a Federal Register notice expected <span dir=”ltr”>on September 7, 2021</span>. The state department announcement can be seen at this page – https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-additional-costs-on-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/
My Russian Ammo Sanction Opinion – First, I hope you don’t ‘shoot the messenger’ and I’d like to pat everyone on the back and tell them things are going to be okay but that wouldn’t be truthful. In my opinion the sanctions are a major game-changer in the ammunition supply chain that is already strained. For the time being and based on what we can see so far, we believe that this will be the effective end of Russian made ammo in the USA as it plays out over the next year or so as import permits expire or are filled to the quantity limits, and in doing so eliminate supply of a huge portion of the ammo in the US commercial market. From what I understand, the USA commercial market consumes around 800,000,000 rounds of ammunition from Russia every year, roughly 800 semi truck trailers worth in a mix of the most popular calibers. For the immediate short term we expect ammo to keep coming in from Russia but I expect the importers to raise prices substantially which is understandable to me given its the end of the lifespan for their business model. The calibers we believe will be most effected are soviet metric calibers like 7.62×39, 5.45×39, and 7.62x54R because there is almost zero available manufacturing capacity for these calibers outside of Russia and what little exists will not make a significant impact in filling the needs of the USA commercial market without Russian ammo absorbing the lion’s share. In addition to these calibers, I estimate that the Russians supplied 30% to 40% of the 223 Rem / 5.56 and 9mm Luger consumed at the shooting ranges across this country, and large portions of the 45 auto, 9×18 Makarov, 30 carbine, 308 Winchester / 762×51, 380 Auto, 300 Blackout and 6.5 Grendel. I see this as a potentially devastating blow to the supply for of 223 Rem / 5.56 and 9mm Luger, where the reduction in supply from Russia will be difficult to make up in the short term for other manufacturers who have already been unable to keep up with demand this past year. Consumers who have used Russian ammo regularly will have to move on from Russian made ammo to those other products made elsewhere and in doing so absorb the supply and prolong recent shortages. Again this is my opinion, based on my knowledge of the industry after 20+ years experience, and how things play out over time could be different. For me, selling Russian made ammo is about 40% of my business, and while we plan to source as much supply as we can from other sources, we do expect this to have a major negative impact on supply for 7.62×39, 7.62x54R, 5.45×39, 9mm Makarov, 9mm Luger, 223 Rem / 5.56 NATO, as well as the other mentioned calibers.
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An article on Remington with a positive outlook which is refreshing
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/remington-ammunition-s-redemption/
I’ve read, heard and seen things folks have to say about ammo companies and the shortage and conspiracies galore and it’s sad, shameful and stupid because they’ve run as hard as they can when they had supplies. Did they fill government contracts? Yes it’s a contract and yes from a business standpoint it is more important than your weekend turtle shoot. Get over it and stop with the madness. Don’t blame ammo companies for your failure to prepare and not paying attention to the writing on the wall.
Things are looking up especially with the green and white boxes showing up now.
Buy it cheap stack it deepand yes that price you see may very well be cheap in comparison by the next fake election panic
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Another fake website selling ammo. I’d posted some reliable ones a while back. Don’t be fooled
Scam Ammo Warning: Will the Real Fort Scott Munitions Please Stand Up?
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Good news for shooters. Bad news for reloader s cause that’s less primers and components
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/09/ammo-inc-new-ammo-manufacturing-plant-wisconsin/#axzz77quUdFb8
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Hodgon Announces Closing of Their Camp Minden, Louisiana Black Powder Plant
not good for black powder hunters and shooters
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So on YouTube this morning one of the guys who tests ammo and body armor posted this
I’d posted info on this thread before about scams so here’s my go to list again. I’ve a feeling we might star at seeing this type scam in food as well.SG Ammo is out of Oklahoma
https://www.sgammo.com
https://www.luckygunner.com
https://www.ammunitiondepot.com
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I haven’t seen 7.62x54r in ages. My Mosin is hungry. I’ve got some old military (corrosive) stock from the 70’s but don’t want to open it up and spoil the fun.
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The past week or two I’ve been looking for single shot 410 or a 22 for a new homesteading lady. I haven’t found a gun of any kind below $195. Pure craziness
I’m talking wore out stuff
Certain ammo like 10mm is drying back up to
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National ammo shortage continues despite increased production
Ive actually seen 44mag, 270, 30-30 sitting more than a few days now. You have choices in 9&223. 40 is there and a little 380 n 12ga. Prices are still off the chain with a lot being more than $1 rd.
Even the lowly 25 is $1 rd for ball and I saw some self defense at $3rd online and its gone now which means someone paid for it.
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Lol
Sent to me by a friend
Yesterday evening
And this morning
I expect to see x39 and x54 continue to climb and intensify
They also had 20 rd PMags which all but disappeared for a while
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