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Tolik 6 months, 2 weeks ago.
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Yeah this is nothing new in Caracas it has slums around it and every weekend they count 30+ dead bodies left at trash collection sites at the edges of flavellas. On bad weekends it can rise to 50+. Always gun violence robbery rape vandalism. When I worked in Venezuela I spend half my weekends helping the poor there it’s a horror show I imagine LA will be there in 10 years.
Even as aid workers comming to help residents the gangs tried to steal and extort money one young lady who was jot worldly enough and did not listen to always go in groups and always have males in group found out hard way what happens …. when we found what was left of her it had to be dental Id. Her only crime was trying to help someone in need and being pretty with a healthy does of foolhardy thinking things where same as in her home country where women are equal and might does not make.right… don’t be a fool.
There has been roving death squads there for as long as anynone can remember they put up hand posters before a sweep usually it has different symbols on it but the street people.know and leave area. There are also no go zones if you are not well off enough, you go there you wind up dead after they organ donate you.
There is no safe places just safer. The traffic there is crazy bad aswell and the mountains block in all the pollution ad to that poor lots of drugs military police force a corrupt government and we all know where that goes. Wait I just described the nearest big city sarcasm not so much
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Lets not confuse police with death squads, or assassination teams.
An election happens and these ‘political ‘ squads appear.
Any bets that certain black clad persons rise to the occasion when the dems win?
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That depends on what the Dems do , civil war depends on their actions . IF they get in
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Wow! Sounds like my next move should be to find a hole and dig in till it’s all over. Don’t even want to think how this country will pan out come the 20/20 elections. It’s going to go down hill from here as it is. I feel for the venezuelans. They are going though a lot.
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For the majority of us here in the US, even a left wing win in 2020 is unlikely to put us in the neighborhood of Venezuela.
And while I agree with Selco that the laws can be changed and freedom vanish overnight, I cannot see the leftists in power now having the testicular fortitude to try, or the backing nationally.
Come the morning after the election, there will be a lot of unhappy people, how many are going to step over the line? Because they didn’t get their way.
How many are going to risk their lattes and moccaccinos? Sure the same pot stirrers will be running around, Portland and Seattle will have to find some answers. But are your neighbors going to burn your car because of your bumper sticker?
I have never lived in a place where I feared election results. At least from the neighbors.
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This reply was modified 7 months ago by
Whirlibird.
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AnonymousSpontaneous, probably not so many. But planned events, like rallies and such. If the gangs on the left and agent provocateurs want a very large slash and burn if Trump wins, then every major city could be hit. Be ready, just saying, be prepared. Don’t plan any doctor visits, shopping sprees or vacations for several days after election day or inauguration day either.
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Well said Log Man.
Just prior to the 2016 election, I had our financial advisor pull all of our monies out of the stock market, into cash, and then picked up the post election day dead cat bounce.
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Yeah no one will hire agent provacatuers. Antifa will never resort to mindless violence of course extinction rebellion would not inconvenience you in your commute of course black lives matters would not throw things at police or first responders or burn an office down.
Look at Hong Kong they are destroying thier own city over a law that is dimissed and now under the guise of we need freedom….Yeah useful idiots never do stupid shit and of course police will respond in a polite restrained and helpful manner as not to make it worse.
Well in Hong Kong they issued sorry for burning and smashing wrong bank… wow that sure made it better and solved the issue. While over here cops destroy a family’s home over a shoplifter and pay $5000 for damages cuase thats a reasonable response to shoplifter destroying a house. Yellow vest protesting one year in France gdp tanked and still no real meaningful response except cops beating shit out of people.
Wait till the snap and welfare can’t buy enougb fòod at new prices and see what happens…. first robberies then riot. Look at Venezuela most dangerous job is a truck driver.
If they riot of plastic garbage on black Friday imagine last cheeseburger.
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This reply was modified 7 months ago by
namelus.
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So Soros hires agent provocateurs?
Do you live where they will stir up excrement?
What service or goods do you require that might be disrupted by agent provocateurs?
Portland burns. Should I expect hordes of rioters on my doorstep after the 13 hour drive (under ideal conditions)? Or will they have issues with several million people in Utah standing in their way?
As far as the shoplifter incident goes, I can cite chapter and verse on that one. The criminal is responsible for the damage as it is a direct result of his criminal activity. In this case, don’t point a gun at the cops, the results are generally bad.
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AnonymousNot everybody has a working farm hundreds of miles from anywhere. Not everybody could work such a farm even if they wanted to. Those of us stuck closer to the city than we like to be must consider these things and plans for them as best we can.
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@Log Man,
And that is where I feel most Americans are.
In the sub-burbs, with little or no choice in their situation.
How do they cope when your neighbor had a politically opposite placard in their lawn to yours?
I think those areas could be just as hostile from a rounds coming down range as the urban areas.
I say this as when I lived in the sub-burbs I had the LEAST interaction with my neighbors than I do living now in the sticks!
It was down right dirty looks, hostile!
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Let them smash your house whirlibird and see if you think it’s justified for $100 in items. Seems reasonable to use a bear cat and our dollars in ot and supplies to destroy a house for a few shirts you know return for value. Not like cops will get charged with excessive force nor the hire ups okay in this level of force because you always use a bazooka to swat mosquito because that’s how we roll..
It’s not just soros, israel favorite pastime less you forget the uss liberty. Not like stalin or Hitler did not use them either. Many riots you can see so called anarchist with brand name clothing on… really anarchist right? Not like someone would not direct the witless and clueless to a valuable target or accidentally destroy something vital.like a big substation or enough of the transmission towets since we don’t have and can’t make any of the larger transformers. Or fuck with water not like those are guarded.
If you don’t think stupid spreads you have not paid attention it always starts somewhere then it’s next town over then next block then your block then your yard.
I font live near anyone for a reason. Rioting in big cities will still hurt me if it goes on long enough same with just about everyone. Unless you have no family or relatives or friends that live in city that would be at risk say if too dangerous to deliver things like prescribtion meds.
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Okay, lets try this another way.
Ferguson burned. Atlanta rioted as did a couple of other cities. Despite the media fervor and all the race baiters like Sharpton, it didn’t effect me or anyone I know to speak of. Rioting is a localized issue, even if it is duplicated elsewhere.
Some agent of Soros decides to use one of the simpler methods to cause terror/discomfort, and shoots up a major power transmission point in California. Part of LA if not all goes dark. Again, really doesn’t effect me as its a long drive through the desert to get here.
Localized disturbances don’t travel well, especially when the people in the new area aren’t synthetic to the cause. And when you consider the distances that I am looking at, as well as the geography, your opinion changes. Add to that the “people”, my Mormon neighbors are unlikely to tolerate much of the “fuzzies” trying to burn them out.
I am more concerned with the solar minimum and its effect on weather and crops. Its a real risk for us all, not just one area.
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AnonymousWhat if the people that fund this local terrorism decide, for what ever reason and there could be many reasons, to shoot up 100 or 200 or 300 major power transmission stations all over the country. Easier than an EMP to achieve a grid down situation. Say the head instigator is dying and wants at all costs to see the world burn before he dies. ANYTHING can happen.
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Log Man, I have long talked about this scenario, and Namelus and a couple of others could quote me on a couple of different sites.
Namelus, I haven’t seen the police report, so if you have a copy handy I would appreciate seeing it. I am going off the news reports and going with their story and how it would have been charged/prosecuted when I was in the business, according to the laws of Colorado at the time.
Your calling what I put down as BS, why don’t you explain where I went wrong and show me such if you wouldn’t mind.
Yes the initial charge is shoplifting, but he was armed at the time. The fact that he didn’t use the handgun during that crime left it shoplifting and not armed robbery, and my continuing use of the shoplifting term.
And again, when he committed the felony by pointing the handgun at the officers, the game was changed. If you want to continue to argue the petty offense at that point, there is nothing more that I can explain.
Have a nice day.
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As to the shoplifter.
When do you consider the crimes beyond the shoplifting? At what point are those a consideration?
Would it be bad that a shoplifter brought a handgun on his shoplifting spree? Maybe he had other intentions for it, maybe selling it on his way home with his stolen goods? But still a felony to be in possession of a concealed handgun while committing a crime.
Maybe when he committed felony menacing by pointing said handgun at the police?
Or when he committed a burglary of a residence while armed with said handgun? Also while attempting to elude/escape the police (crime) while armed.
Misdemeanor offenses are one thing but felonies are a different matter. Because of the threat to the general public they cannot be ignored. In fact because of the Officers job, there is a duty to act that the general public is not held to.
An Officer fails to act and someone gets hurt, they can be held personally liable as well as the city/county.
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This reply was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by Whirlibird.
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This reply was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by Whirlibird.
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Yeah, antifa is not showing up on my door step. More likely some local yahoos take advantage of the situation for looting, stealing.
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Hence police report said shop lifter not any of you add to list not armed robbery, not one shot fired at cops yet they wacoed the home. stop making excuses for bs call by the officer in charge. As for not doing anything it’s shop lifting it’s more along line of loss prevention officer. As for backlash on officer over shoplifting unless they are stealing I can’t think of any time?
As for issue to cause mass rioting one month no welfare due to insert excuse. More likely is the cost of food due to food production collapse. What happens when cops don’t get paid? You honestly think it can’t happen here that’s in my opinon is foolish.
As for not being able to farm in middle of no where… Yeah you can but what are you willing to sacrifice? I gave up housing in big city a 6 figure job all the perks. We made a choice that what was to come it was not okay to be in a city or in burbs. We learned hard way as I am not from.farming background at all. No one was. I know we are headed for trouble and I know doing it at last minute Would be least preferable as we learned many lessons while we could just pay $$ for mistake once this goes south $$ won’t save you or buy a reprieve.
Always easy to say I can’t but really it comes down to you are not willing to make the change take the risk. It’s okay but be honest with yourself. Would you move out of city if pandemic of ebola? Why not now? Danger level not there yet not immediate enough and you think you have time and chance nothing will happen right? There is always excuse why not and until that reason is bigger than reason to you won’t take the risk.. I also have elderlies with us 78 plus years old. I looked at it like gangrene when do you cut it off or do you hope for best or help or resign yourself to die?
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Honestly ,we have too many cops of all flavors and levels . People need to take care of their own shit , and leave the heavy duty things to the authorities . Stop calling them , every time you put your finger through the toilet paper . Just wash your hands and move on .
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Ok, one last time.
Yes the original charge and issue was shoplifting, we can agree on that. However that is not why the rest of the situation occurred.
Man points formerly concealed handgun at the police. That is a felony. That is a reason to pursue and apprehend the suspect. No, he doesn’t have to fire the handgun for the threat to be realized. This is felony menacing.
The possession of a handgun during a crime, even when it is not used can and is often charged. And we can assume that the gent didn’t have a CCW permit.
In Colorado, breaking into someones house is trespassing, unless you undertake another crime such as attempted escape, eluding, theft, etc., while in the house, then the charge would be burglary.
There is more to this than the shoplifting. I would suggest actually reading the statutes to see what violations are actually appropriate.
Another thing, additional charges can be brought as the evidence is gathered, and likely will be/have been.
Before you call BS and dismiss what I have to say, you might want to look at the laws.
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You think people will forgive and forget over a I saw a gun line? It’s been since 2015 if it was more than shoplifting it would Have been used in case. The homeowners where not even home it’s not like.the shoplifter lived there the destoyed some.innocent families home.
Ah the pointed a gun at me defense…. he was not arrested with a gun there is no video of the gun. So what you are having us believe is a police officer intercepted a shoplifter ( usually on a patrol stop right) that was not stoped by loss prevention who then flashed a gun at said officer criminally trespassed on someone else’s property and that gives police right to destroy someone home with no reasonable restitution? You know just like stop resisting is a mantra that allows for anything to happen as no laws apply now?
A property crime like that barely gets a police response and it takes hours as it’s a low priority call. When’s last time you seen a cop on duty patroling a store other than as patron for food? For f sakes it takes over 2 hours for a response to a rape and you are trying to sell this fairytale?
And of couse you need to bear cat and tear gas the house multiple time because what you could not stack up and take one guy with maybe a gun? God forbid you have to go through a door with a gun man on other side. Yeah I have been first through many a door and I have the Spall scars on my arms and face from doing so still did not stop me from doing my job and not shooting the civillians. You know how easy it would have been to grenade clear the place after all in WAR it would be collateral damage but we don’t do it that way because it destroys what little things people.do own and breeds hatred.
You think this will just go away? Courts says ok no crime here citizen move along before we serve and proteCT the crap out of you. Why do you think this will end up?
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One simple.question would.they have done this to a cops house?
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Typical of why citizens are starting to hate cops . Look at these ass clowns , the one guy thinks its funny . They behave like they are in their local bar having a beer . Yeah , he’s too cool for school .
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