October 6, 2019 at 9:47 pm #23442
Whether man made EMP, or naturally occurring Coronal Mass Ejection (solar flare), the idea of the grid going down is a terrifying one.
My first awareness of the issue was due to “One Second After”, but I try to keep reading. Tonight I asked myself “How long would the grid stay down for?”
The following report states 4-10 years!
This is also a good reviews of the situation: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/military-warns-emp-attack-could-wipe-out-america-democracy-world-order
It is terrifying to think I would need to be able to produce food for my family for that long. A few buckets of rice and beans (and other essentials) are crucial to get through the first year – but could I really ramp up production enough to prevent starvation??!!
So aside from sharing the links above, does anyone have any good links on food production for self sufficiency? I live in the cold northeast and am wondering where I would learn how people managed self sufficiency back in the days before the Civil War.
Thanks for any advice you can provide.
October 7, 2019 at 8:36 am #23447
Great question John.
I dont have any links persay, but books.
Gene Logsdon Small-Scale Grain Raising: An Organic Guide to Growing, Processing, and Using Nutritious Whole Grains for Home Gardeners and Local Farmers, 2nd Edition is really good for growing small plots of gain for a family.
The Back to Basics books are pretty good.
I think a lot of it has to do with the soil you have, how much compost you can add, your growing seasons. What naturally can grow in your climate? What container plants can you do?
October 7, 2019 at 11:47 am #23450Anonymous
The estimate is that 90 % of the population will die within one year. Mostly that will be old people, young kids, pregnant women, addicted persons and people who need meds to live. Others will starve, die fighting, freeze, etc.
The electrical generation and transmission business is complex and fairly people intensive. Fossil fuels for most of those plants and the transportation thereof is also complex and fairly people intensive. A LOT of the people with those skills will die as part of the 90%. Who will be left to do those jobs? Some remaining could be trained to do those jobs, assuming there are enough experienced persons left alive to do so. So, experienced persons and much of the labor will have to come from other countries. English speaking democracies or some invader (armies) from one or more dictator ruled country (China, Russia, etc.)? I would be shocked to learn that those industries have plans to save their existing managers and workers and their families.
I’d like to see the assumptions on how they will do that, ever, much less in 4-10 years. Maybe they assume most survivors will be relocated to fema camps near surviving renewal energy plants. One thing is for sure, the country will never be like it was.
October 7, 2019 at 1:29 pm #23453
Most people will die from a lack of clean water, and other sanitary water related issues. Then everything else.
If it is a CME of significant level, everyone will be in the same situation regardless of border. The Sun does not pick sides, and the duration could cover the whole globe.
EMP, there could be collateral damage.
If a EMP was only aimed at the US, I dont think anyone will be trying to invade. 350million people all losing their minds and the military will be at DEFCON 1/NORAD. Better to take advantage of the situation, while the US trys to deal with the domestic issues, China takes Taiwan back, Russia makes moves where they want, the Mid-East is anyones guess, and I would not rule out North Korea taking advantage of the situation either.
October 7, 2019 at 9:24 pm #23457LittlesisterParticipant
So much can happen and I hope we don’t have any issues. But like said above it could very well be in the cards. As far as food. I think going back to the days of our great grandparents and beyond on how they put up food for a family. Back in those days they didn’t have air cond. flushing toilets, nor washing machines. Things were done by hand and I am thinking we would have to go back to those days and learn what they did. We have a great deal of no. 10 freeze dried foods that we are going to mix in with our garden stuff that is canned. I am working on canning meats now (but took a break to catch up on other stuff.) Freezer is loaded and next week I hope to get back to getting it empty. Problem is how long will all this last if we have a failed garden like we did this year. We got some things. Mostly green beans, so that is where the freeze dried foods will come in. I don’t know of any other way to store food for the long term and those in towns with no land to garden will be in a heap of trouble.
I have read one second after. It is an eye opener. Great book. I think those that live in country and know how to homestead and have chickens, cows and whatever else on a farm for milk and making butter, having eggs, etc. will be better off than most. I am looking into buying some more freeze dried foods as I can find it on sale. That stuff is not cheap and unless there is another company going out of business like the one I found 6 yrs. ago, it won’t be cheap. We took advantage of those sales, but have not bought much since then.
October 27, 2019 at 7:33 pm #23905
I just wanted to share a pair of links.
The first is where you can sign up for space weather/CME/solar flare updates – that way if there ever is a G5 storm coming directly at earth, you can get a heads up.
The other is a year old link about foreign nations working on EMP technology:
October 28, 2019 at 1:18 pm #23928Mouse WizardParticipant
The problem as I see it is the nuclear power plants. So many in the eastern half of the US. So many all over Europe. Most all will be safely shut down in the event of a CME, because the staff will be on site and able to deal with getting the generators online (diesels are impervious to CME/EMP, and can be rigged to start after pulling any failed electronic controllers). So that’s not the worry.
I also don’t worry so much about the spent storage pools. Again, most staff will be on site and people will figure out that 90% of what’s in the pool is cold enough to be pulled and laid on the ground once it becomes clear this is a long term event. What remains will do just fine in the remaining water without the external water cooling system. As long as water is replenished the process can be managed until the remaining rods are cool enough to be left exposed to air. By then there won’t be power to run the equipment to pull them, but the staff will have spaced them out in the pool so they have adequate distance and air circulation. So most plants will wind up safely shut down. Basically, each plant will become a dead zone all to itself, but fairly limited in reach.
Some plants won’t have smart enough, or motivated enough staff, to see that proactively managing the cooling pools is essential for regional safety. Those plants will see cooling pool failures and the resulting fires and smoke will spread lethal plumes downwind. Farmland, cropland, transportation routes, population centers will be depopulated and unusable for centuries.
So here’s the real problem: Which ones will fail? Where will the dead zones occur?
October 28, 2019 at 2:09 pm #23932
A good friend of ours used to live next to a nuclear power plant.
A lot of the neighbors worked at the plant too.
They are plenty motivated.
October 28, 2019 at 10:22 pm #23940WhirlibirdParticipant
Book called 200 Chernobyl’s, if you wanna lose a lot of sleep.
December 9, 2022 at 6:31 pm #55933
I wanted to bump this up with the recent attacks on power stations.
What are people thinking about these attacks, is it just tomfoolery, or someone probing and prepping to try and take down the grid?
December 12, 2022 at 4:40 am #55987WhirlibirdParticipant
Best guess is probing for weaknesses and timing.
Who? Pick your favorite FBI sponsored whackjob
Any disenchanted fast food workers buying DD carbines lately?
But seriously, if these morons got their timing down, and actually did their thing at one time, the effect would be devastating.
I have written about the poor man’s emp before, maybe on this forum, I can’t remember.
But take 25 rental cars, starting from major metropolitan areas, a driver and a shooter in each. And they take a drive, putting one high and one low into each transformer they see. And any substation, well that gets a couple extra, as we have been seeing. Maps of the substations are out there, and one can just follow the high wires to the next target.
What would the effect be? LE couldn’t keep up, couldn’t protect anything in time, and the damage would just continue. The grids would be shut down to prevent more damage than the bad guys were causing. How many pole mounted transformers would be destroyed? How many ground mounted?
There aren’t that many spares of any kind out there.
Were these attacks going back months the work of leftist eco-freaks again? Or foreign agents? Or FBI sponsored whackjobs? It doesn’t matter to us, the effect is still the same.
December 10, 2022 at 11:13 am #55947BarrensHomeyParticipant
Got some backstage spy vs spy stuff going on recently. What was the lowdown on those 5 cars on Nantucket rented by the Secret Service that burned the other day? Somebody sending a message? “We can take you out any time we like”? Any relation to the transformer attacks?
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