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https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/highway-50-shut-down-sierra-presidents-day-13623367.php
I know there are some out there whom do not believe in a possible Mad Max like SHTF or afterwards.
Some of these people are behaving like idiots, and over using the restroom?
Imagine if the food trucks stopped shipping.
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The thing is…..perhaps a great portion of them would be grateful and polite for any assistance in their unexpected dilemma. Then the first one goes unhinged….which aggravates another one. Someone’s got a headache and a screaming child…. As a few hours go by, every one decides this should have been handled differently. The most volatile begin to blame the first person they can yell at or take a swing at….
And violence seems to be quite contagious. License to behave without sense…as there will be no answering for their choices. And yes…..if there comes a time when there likely wouldn’t be consequences for behaviors…..
Time to NOT BE THERE….. edging slowly towards the “exit”…so to speak!!! Even if one has to get very creative about how to not be there.
OldMtWoman……
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Another thing also , America is the most heavily armed nation on earth . a serious SHTF situation , that is nation , or even world wide , will be deadly for the emotion based human , vs. the calm , thinking human . Ever meet a Green beret , or Seal ? Those guys on the outside are the most calm people you will ever meet , but you wouldn’t want to mess with them . On the other hand , its the emotion based idiot , that will act before they think , that will die fast , doing something stupid . Self control is one of the most important survival tools any person can possess .
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You’re absolutely right. Self-control, self-discipline. Those are still qualities that I am working on for myself as well.
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Certainly should cause the alarm bell to ring regarding living along a major or popular travel route.
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James,
Bingo! That’s exactly the point here. The behavior of masses of people in such stressful conditions is no surprise at all.
The main question is “how far” off major thoroughfares does someone need to live to avoid these things? That’s hard to quantify. Can’t just say ten (or whatever number of) miles away. Whole lot of variables to consider.
Evaluate carefully, my friends.
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I sat in a meeting in our capital city one day and in another life when our state’s dept. of emergency management debuted their newest hurricane evac plan for the coastal region. Using three main routes they would simply turn all lanes to westward and begin evacuating in zones upwards of 400K people. OK, I asked… where will all these people be going, exactly? I got a deer in the headlights look back and no real answer. Hey, I said… you can’t just dump 400K people out into the countryside having no real place to go! Needless to say, I was not their most popular person at that moment. But their plan, which they were patting themselves on the back for creating, would likely have resulted in what just happened in the Sierra… but more so.
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Wow, JamesM. That doesn’t bode well, does it. I heard thru a grapevine about a major EVAC plan for our region. We’re deep enough in…..but the flood of folks would cut us off from getting anywhere for the duration. Well, kinda. As long as some don’t wander away from the flock … trying to get ahead of the line. They’d get LOST out here real fast.
If the EVAC was merely wildfire, it doesn’t affect that many folks in just one direction. Been there; done that one several times. But an event that was more widespread…more people… Glad we don’t have hurricanes in the mts. That magnitude of EVAC ….yikes.
Detailed local maps are at-the-ready at our house…including Forest Service Roads. I actually know a back way to get to where all those folks would be heading.
OldMtWoman
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I used to live about 20 minutes away from Pollock Pines. It’s a very small town and quite lovely.
When I taught live prepping classes, I cannot tell you how many people from Sacramento had the brilliant plan to take this exact route, Highway 50, up through the mountains to Lake Tahoe if the SHTF. They intended to go there because, of course, there was water.
But although they call it a highway, it’s really more like a street. It’s one lane each way, with an occasional turnout so people can pass someone who can’t get up the mountain very fast. As is evident by this story, it doesn’t take long for the road to get totally backed up. So people would tell me their Plan B was to walk to Tahoe.
That’s right. WALK.
Keep in mind this is an area less than 100 miles from Donner Pass, where the unfortunate Donner Party ended up cannibalizing one another after being stranded for months. Walking to Lake Tahoe is a recipe for death for most people.
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Walking more than a few miles for anyone is a recipe for death.
Weather, critters, black hats, you are now a refugee at the mercy of anything and everyone that you can’t see.
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Yeah, I see a lot of Ramboz yahoos who say, “Oh, we will just go to this one place I know of! No one knows it is there!”
Except all us locals.
And then what if the road is out due to either natural causes like a snowstorm or landslide. Or if the locals (like the people of Pollock Pines, dont think they did not learn something from this) see what is happening and decide to fell a few really big trees, undermind a key bridge, or over turn a few heavy vehicles.
Long way to walk.
Can it be done? Sure! But you are only taking what you can carry.
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All this brought up something kinda funny for me. I used to use quadrangle maps to located very remote areas for deer hunting in the areas national forests. On the deer stand miles from no where, once the sun came up and I began looking around I would often spot a banana peel, candy wrappers, or even toilet paper. Others were looking for the same remoteness I was.
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I live on the east coast of VA. If we ever have a major hurricane where I am, there is no way to get out with the billions of people that live in VA Beach, Norfolk, Chesapeake and parts of Suffolk where I am. Road rage would be a new norm. People are crazy around here because of the traffic now. We would be grid locked in no time. I just ordered a new 2019 map and going to look at new options and hope I never have to evacuate. Wish I was still in the mountain area. That is where my family is from and would love to be able to move back there. Not so sure that would happen right now.
Been reading Daisy’s news articles. Things do not look good for the world in general. Vandalia and other countries. To think that this could even happen here is an understatement. At my age, I wonder sometimes if I really could live totally off grid. I would like to think I could but who knows. Then there is the Yellowstone volcano. Things don’t look good there either. Things are starting to happen. Reading up on it though says to go East. So guess I would be somewhat ok. But then it depends on wind factor. Would for sure have to turn off air conditioner and cover the unit up to keep ash from plugging it up. If that is possible to do. There are so many things that could happen, it would be very hard to prep for many of these things. So I just keep my Bible in hand and pray a lot. There is just so much we can do to keep on top of what is going on in this country alone. But seeing what is going on in other countries could very well be a matter of time for the U.S. to be in the same boat. Just have to wait and see what happens and in the meantime do what we must do to stay afloat.
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“On the deer stand miles from no where, once the sun came up and I began looking around I would often spot a banana peel, candy wrappers, or even toilet paper. Others were looking for the same remoteness I was.”
James,
That’s another excellent point…….”it’s a lot harder to find a truly remote bug out location than most ‘preppers’ realize.”
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Remoteness has its pluses and minuses.
Too remote and there is no one to come help you.
We have had winter ‘rescues’ here where the rescue personnel had to snowmobile in for miles when the helicopters couldn’t fly.
Today, a broken leg can kill you easily, what happens after the SHTF? There are stories from Rhodesia, South Africa and Argentina where the remote locations were attacked and the inhabitants killed after being tortured. And these are current stories, not just those from years past.
Just cause you’re remote doesn’t mean that you are safe.
Venture too far into Comanche territory and you are likely to look like a pincushion.
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Living remote is a two-edged sword. It will keep you and your’s away from many of the risks and dangers that can be associated with the results of unprepared people living in close proximity and experiencing some serious societal disruptions. That is as long as you yourself are somewhat able to be self-sufficient with enough food, water, security, and adequate shelter from the elements. But, like Whiribird said, remoteness can also be your undoing because help may not be available should you require it during an emergency…. any emergency.
My advice to you, Littlesister, is to have a place to go in advance of having to evacuate the coastal area. You can travel to much of the state on a single tank of gas. I have a friend who lives in a hurricane-prone area. I suggested that he maintain a small enclosed trailer stocked with non-perishable emergency supplies that he could just hook to and go. Maybe something you should consider.
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@whirlibird unless you are the Indians or in our case the hillbillies insert banjo music lol.
Living here way off grid has challenges best to sort it now while you can go and get more stuff if things go wrong there is a learning curve.
As for help, there is none, I am ok with that been doing stuff alone or in small groups my whole life in do or die spots injury=high chance of dieing. Had doc say more than once you know you broke….. Yeah it hurts but it’s not like it is a problem if you have right stuff and skill with some help.
As for group make up it is critical to have a well balanced and bonded group. I am super fortunate to have such a group, it is hard to find and most of the groups are very closed off to new members, the core group has know each other for a long time and have gone through trials in real life.
Finding a group is paramount for long term survival, and not just some that will come in last minute from a city far away, even toughest of groups will have a difficult time of it when that time comes, more so if not rehearsed.
There is a world of difference running away from your stuff or to your stuff.
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