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OldMt Woman 1 year, 2 months ago.
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Nice way to hide hyper inflation , either way get ready it’s getting rough
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Flooding is contained mostly in the center of the country I thought. Its a heavy corn growing region where much, if not most, of the harvest goes to produce ethanol for a gasoline additive, not food products as it once did. (Exports are down as well) Not sure how many beef cattle were lost due to flooding. But most of our fruits and produce comes from other regions of he country not affected by the flooding. In my house we don’t eat grains, including corn and wheat or products containing those ingredients. Not sure how food prices will “skyrocket” except maybe for certain items. At least I hope not. If it does it will signal that prices are up due to flooding used as an excuse, not necessarily a cause.
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<u>A</u>s to how it will increase prices corn flakes is the base ingrients for beer, they use the flakes as mash on most lagers. On animal feed corn is between 16 to 30 percent in mixed or pellet feed, and a big part of the protein and carb count. Feed makes up 60 to 70 percent of operational costs. Corn is used because of subsidies to replace it will need to add fish meal or more soy along with wheat or other grain all which cost more and the soy and fish meal are toxic. All the bacteria that fix minerals to roots for plants have been upset.
Most processed food has corn in it I know most of us don’t eat much of it increased prices will mean they will eat less or move to another calorie intake.
You are 100 percent right the sellers will take advantage of situation to raise prices once again.
Question really is how to mitigate incoming price increases. Beef will go up due to hay shortage this winter many farmers sold off breeding stock to butcher because of lack of hay. It takes 3 years for a cow to be able to reproduce and 50 percent will be male. The food cycle will be impacted for 3+years and certain genetics will have been destroyed from sell off. All 18 month old non grass finished cattle are corn fed to put on the 1 inch at 13th rib to try for usda aaa quality for more cash. There will be more pressure on entire system remember California fires wiped out a ton of agriculture land.
If ever there was a year to start gardening I would say do it NOW.
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<u>James, what will hap</u>pen is food/feed corn act will be used because of laws mandating ethanol for clean air act. This in turn will have effect most feed have cor will jo up expecially pork. But cattle and chicken too. Let alone the stuff turn into vitamin c and hfc (high fructose corn syrup. Most of the other grains will be increased in usage to keep product coming out, ie feed will reduce harder to get corn with barley this in turn causes an up turn. This can mainly be corrected IF SOIL EROSION does not happen or better like in middle east flooding adds to the soil richness, if the soils swept down stream you have two more problems the chemical content and salts accumulated in industrial farming will cause water contamination, algae blòoms (fish kills) and depending on drying pattern may turn lower farm land too salty stunting growth.
Usda has a multi.million dollar prize if you can figure out how to de salt soil without watering it into ground water. It’s overy 15 years old still no solution.
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Thanks, Nameless.
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Since this thread began and a number of comments made, including me, NOAA has published a report that this Spring will be a lot wetter than normal across a large swath of the country… including those areas hardest hit by recent flooding. My region is slated to be wetter than normal. Oh joy! That will impact even the home gardens same as last year and (if I remember correctly) and the year before. Two years ago my garden washed out and i had to re-plant in the later part of June. Last year it stayed almost too wet to even get into the garden for weeding.
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Just a thought, a handful of years ago many areas experienced some pretty good droughts.
People were selling off the cattle and such at fire sale prices so they didn’t have to import feed. Then the next year, they bought more to start their herds again.
Realistically, the flooding has hit a small area compared to the entire growing area. The “wet season” will effect more than the flood did. Remember what happened during the drought? Same thing.
Most companies have a cushion built into their prices so they don’t have to suddenly raise the price because of some tragedy. That way you don’t stop buying it completely. Your corn flakes go up $.15, nobody stops buying and they can weather the storm. $1.50 a box, rice chex it is and profits plummet.
This is a percentage of the total crops and critters. And making like chicken little doesn’t help anything.
Realistically a bunch of elevators and Co-Ops just found an avenue to empty the silos without taking a massive hit on previous years crops.
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FYI, my father in law was a rancher and every year paid the insurance premium on the wheat crops and the cattle. Most years, it was a waste of money, but thoae years when it was needed, it paid off in spades.
And the bank required it for the farm loans.
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First off, there is a problem with forum. Not sure but running scan now. Does not seem to be my end. Over top of James Mitchner’s post there is a sign states connection not protected. My protection is reduced and is telling me to leave the site. I am running scan but it is finding nothing. Not sure what is going on.
Now back to post though I cannot read James’s post for the most part. I have already started seeing prices going up here on E. coast. I am watching for sales of meat to can now. New sales come out on Wed. and I will be hitting the stores. Thought I would be slowing down on buying food for a while but now might not be the time to do so.
We are having heavy rain here now and will be in the freezing temps next 2 days.
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Thats interesting. Have no idea here other than the fact that I use a VPN.
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Gas prices here have increased alot. 1 or 2 months ago it was as low as 2:10 a gallon. Now its $2.79. In my area, FL this is very high.
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James, I also use a VPN but don’t know why that is over your post. Maybe Daisy can figure it out. Don’t even know if I am the only one seeing it. Have run another scan but still not picking up on anything. This is the only post that is on. Weird.
Anyway, gas here has gone up to 2.39 and still climbing. the 2.39 is the cheapest right now. And I hate that I need to fill my tank as it is getting to the half empty mark and we need to fill gas cans for tiller and such.
Also it seems every time we go to grocery store the prices have gone up more on some items. I think we are heading for another recession. Wonder how this one will fair.
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Are you still seeing the warning on my other posts?
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No James. It is gone now and I can read that post. What you say about the corn, etc. is true. But the food prices are still rising for some reason. I have never seen a post with that warning before. Seemed a bit odd that that would warn me to leave the site like that. Though I never found any virus or anything when I did the scan.
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OK where are you going to get a million replacement?
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That is just over 1% of the total number of cattle in the US.
What, two years to make that up? At worst?
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Is the thing that you are seeing perhaps a notice that something is in moderation and I need to approve it? I did just clear a couple of comments on this thread.
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Let’s talk about food SHORTAGE: US grain bins collapse under catastrophic Iowa floods
3 billion in grain and counting gone… worried yet?
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Daisy, the box that is back over James’s post and now on Namelus post states Connection not protected, Your security is reduced, You are advised to leave this site. I can’t say if it is because it is in moderation or not. But now there is a oh snap over namelus last post. it is only on the food to skyrocket in price. all the other sections seem to be ok.
Anyway. I am going to be watching the beef prices and hope they don’t rise in price. As it is bad enough that everything else is going up. Though I have seen the milk prices have gone up as much as a dollar higher within a week’s time.
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OK where are you going to get a million replacement?
(See previous post for the answer, phone acting stupid)
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Don’t know if anyone on here get’s the e-mails, Economic Collapse. But anyway it shows pictures of the midwest.
According to satellite data at least one million acres of US farmland have been devastated by floods. This means corn, soy and wheat are in danger. Shortages are coming. All this comes from the economic collapse. It is not over yet. Seems there are going to be areas that will get more than normal rain fall over next 2 months. Where I live we are in that zone and it must be true because we are going to have another rainy week next week. We have been through this before about 15 years ago. We had a very large garden next to the market my husband’s cousin owns. We had just finished picking 5 bushels of green and red peppers when the rain started. It flooded out the whole garden. No where for the water to go. It was bad. The only thing that survived was the okra. So now it is looking like we could have this situation again this spring and through the summer. So we just might rethink our garden plans for this year as it is only a small backyard garden and just hit the N. Carolina farms and roadside stands. Not sure with my husband’s heart issues that I really want him to plow the garden and then plant, just to loose it all. Something to think about. Will be looking into better drainage situation for garden.
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You still don’t get it, whirl, yes 1 million is a 1 percent of total cow in usa. But the figure of 97 million cows is not all beef cows. Only about 80 million are, consumption is 2008 data shows 35 million consumed per year it takes 1.5 years for cow to mature to be able to carry calf another 9 months for first calf to be born.
Out of the 80 million 35 percent are male apox as they are good chain supply with some for breeding. Leaves 80-28 =52 million cows that can bred. Then subtract 10 percent as aging replacement 5 million .47 million with 50 percent some where in 18 month maturity cycle not breed able yet. That makes 24 million breed able cows in varining stages of gestation lose 1 million off spring and set back cycle at least a year by time all are cows re bred and producing. How can you make shortfall? You are already importing to make the 35 million consumed as you only produce 24 million per year now only 23 million, add grain shortage, increase cattle prices for live animals, importing live breeding animals from over seas is tough and no way you can do 500,000 females
This is using artificial means of hormone injection and pregnancy cycle changers. Since in Nebraska most don’t want calfing in Dec Jan as if you have range cattle many young will die. You can’t just hold back the slaughter beef as some are not in breeding quality and if you don’t supply there are penalties, some of the cows losing thier calf will cause mastitis again more chemicals but some will not recover then be only good as ham burger, further reducing breeding stock numbers.
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Pig herds dieing off all over including north America. We where asked to quarintine our farm today.
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Yeah, saw that. Does that adversely affect your operation, Namelus? Or are you ‘in house’ anyway? Got a relative that’s a large hog operation. 🙁
OldMtWoman
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This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by OldMt Woman.
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We are birth to table operation, we host several rare heritage breeds which are foundation stock. We where asked not to ship or recieve any live animals, just had chinese buyer approach wanting a breeding stock deal.to ship to Asia once this settles down, a first for that, we also stopped grain shipments in ans using our own transportation only with cleaning procedures on returning loads.
No ramp up from local buyers yet, but still very early in this, could end up as a big worry over nothing but even during swine flu we did not get a quarintine order.
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Sounds like your set up is the best for this problem. Allowed to ship out the meat then? Hope this turns out to be not a big deal. My relative ships out daily….. It could crash his operation but worse if he gets the disease ONTO their properties. They’re VERY careful about footwear/clothing/tires coming onto any of the properties. They serve employees lunch so they don’t have to leave and come back.
OldMtWoman …good luck to you.
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