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What do you think about this? I also read an article on this topic on Bloomberg. It was obviously very biased, but the thing that struck me is this:
President Trump started his term by removing all the climate change information off of the official websites. He withdrew from the Paris agreement.
Now, he has allowed the release of this dramatic report? The timing, Black Friday, is also suspect.
It seems like quite an about-face.
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Well, by law, this report has to be published. Not much the Trump admin can do about it.
I think the timing is suspect as it was not scheduled to be released until December. Black Friday and all.
The Pairs accord was a joke. Many scientists said it did not go far enough before the ink even dried. It was a warm and fuzzy way to all us to keep on going with our lifestyle while claiming we are doing something. A report about a year ago stated of all the countries who signed the Paris accords, only like 3 or 4 countries were compliant. Really doing something significant would require a complete and total radical change of how we live. Most people are not willing to do it.
As for the wildfires, I heard a On Point interview with a scientist from the JPL. Historically the West and CA are more desert like environment. During the late 1800s and most of the 1900s the region was actually experiencing a wet period. Now it appears it is reverting back to the desert like conditions. Climate change will just make it worse. And, there are a lot more people, sprawl too.
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Global temps were on average lower during the late 1800s and early 1900s. Now they’re dramatically higher. So I’m thinking it not a “natural variability” or “reverting to what was before” thing.
Good grief, folks. We’ve got people drowning in their cars in the Carolinas and burning alive in their cars in California. Pablum and poo-poohs aren’t appropriate anymore.
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The entire climate issue is a ruse foisted by globalists to wrench control away from sovereign nations and concentrate control through the UN, which itself dances to the tune of the globalists. The agenda is a one-world government… a tyrannical system controlled by a few while everyone else is made dependent and enslaved. I have always found it perplexing that so many in the prepper community who otherwise are suspicious of the motives of the “establishment” are so eager to believe that same establishment over this climate change charade. It would pay to consider exactly WHO is pushing global climate change… the globalist Deep State in the case of the report being discussed here. The same Deep State that has been attempting to sabotage President Trump since before he took office!
In the case of California, it is likely returning to desert due to the ‘greenies’ who have shown more concern over little fish than the farmers, and who have lobbied to send snow melt into the Pacific than into irrigation systems that kept the land green and productive. As for wildfires, decades of mis-management of the forests allowed for the understory to thicken and spread, providing more than ample fuel for wildfires. People were allowed to move into interface zones which results in massive property destruction once a wildfire starts and progresses. Moving into these zones without due consideration of the risk is foolhardy without reasonable forest management.
The same can be said for those who choose to live on the coasts regarding tropical storms and hurricanes. Overall, these storms have not increased in either number or strength on average. Some years there are more than other years.
Keep in mind that these climate change zealots are using software programs to predict what the climate will be decades from now. Also keep in mind that software programs can’t even predict with accuracy where a hurricane will make landfall until almost the day before, and even then it can be wrong. The dire predictions made 10/20 years ago regarding disastrous climate warming NEVER happened!
There is lots more CO2 in the oceans than in the atmosphere or “carbon” being released by any country. While the zealots call CO2 a “greenhouse gas”, CO2 is critical for the health of our oceans AND our forests, including the Amazonian tropical forests that produces so much of the O2 we require.
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AnonymousI don’t put a lot of stock into anything the current administration releases but I know from my own observations from my area that there are a whole lot of things getting worse. We have flooding in areas that never flooded, extreme temperature snaps that last just a bit longer than they used to. We are coastal and the ground is shifting, a lot, and not just on the coast. I have grown up and lived here my entire life so I remember what used to be and see what is and it isn’t pretty. Things are changing and they are changing a whole lot faster than I care for.
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And woop there it is. Pretty much all the arguments on display.
Interesting to see that the “it’s been getting cooler, not warmer, because the sun is declining and we’re gonna see another ice age” argument is not appearing much any more, now that everyone and their mother’s brother is seeing the impacts to their own homes and neighborhoods.
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AnonymousOh I forgot the animals. Some of them seem to have forgotten where they live and occasionally take strolls into areas that scare the hell out of the human locals. Once ever few years is a fluke, multiple times in the same year, not so much. They know more than we do.
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@crazy me,
Now that right there I have to agree with. The animals. The plants. They know better than any human written computer algorithm.
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Planet earth is a very dynamic place. Its always changing. Witness the discovery of ancient sea creatures atop mountains, the higher levels of “green house gases” found trapped in ice samples thousands of years old taken from glaciers, or the fossilized remains of crocodiles and swamp plants found in the Sahara. All that and a lot more is indisputable evidence of both climate and earth changes, and not anything connected to human activity. How is one to really believe that antidotal observations of shifting ground, animal behavior, or weather phenomena is evidence of disruptive human activities when industrialization began in ernest only two hundred years ago in comparison to earth’s geologic and climate history?
As for the Moulder Minimum, the receding sun spot activity, there is very much discussion on that issue as it related to colder temperatures over a period of time. Just because it isn’t mentioned on CNN does not in any way indicate that it is not of concern to both scientists and climatologists. There is a potential of it having a negative impact on the ability to grow crops in the more northern latitudes, such as the vast wheat fields of Canada and the upper Mid-west.
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… potential …maybe …thousands of years ago …much discussion…
Sorry dude. Working with real time events now.
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Oh so sorry, dude. but reaching a conclusion from antidotal observation or study using only “real time events” is not even remotely close to the Scientific Method. Neither is accepting grant monies from someone having an agenda to reach a predetermined conclusion. When I hear some climate zealot on the news saying that all “climate deniers” (newspeak concocted by the radical globalist left to denigrate anyone disagreeing with them on “man-made global warming”) should be put in jail or worse, to me it sounds like Crazy Town. I do not believe in man-made climate change. There! We will simply have to agree to disagree.
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I’m not trying to convince you. Just trying to present counterpoints to the pooh-pooh and pablum talking points provided by the oil majors.
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I’m not a defender of Big Oil, but I am a realist. The profit margin for the oil companies after expenses is only about 4%. Oil exploration and extraction is not a cheap endeavor. But Big Oil is always the bad guys to the environmentalists. But consider what petroleum means to our way of life – plastics, pharmaceuticals, fertilizers. cosmetics, lubricants, fuels, and a host of other products that we each use everyday. Consider what food would cost without the availability of the petroleum based fertilizers. Currently there is no energy substitutes… not wind, not solar, not nuclear. If an alternative to petroleum could be discovered, I’m all in. But until then, I’m not agreeable to sit in the cold and dark to accommodate the radical environmentalist agenda to “save the earth” while those in control still maintain a lavish lifestyle… which they would.
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Think how much for liter of water? How much for liter of gas? Which is the bigger rip off? Which was harder to get to market?
For farming you can get to net zero carbon farm no use of petroleum to fuel or fertilize, can’t get away with lubricants. Problem is can’t do it in massive factory farms much more labour intensive. Still need oil for transportation to market.
Remember since beginning of time other than asteroids we have had the same stuff on this planet, we have spaced some but 99 percent is still here. The only difference is the chemical and in small amounts disintegrated in nuclear and lhc.
So if all is still here it is question of energy to shift bonds. Every thing has come from sun energy and carbon life cycle, there are ways to condense time loop from tens of million years to hours.
There are energy solutions, a large logging company now uses the branches and waste to power logging equipment, and log movement. You just need to look in right area to see some of the secrets.
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As a reader of Dr. M. King Hubbert, his follow on Kenneth S. Deffeyes, in my opinion Peak Oil is real.
If anything the shale miracle proves it: When the cheap, easy to get to stuff is gone, then non-conventional oil is viable. It may not be economically practical, as non-conventional fracking oil wells deplete at an exponential rate, but as long as somebody is making money, it will continue.
Climate Change is also happening. It is not going the way the so-called experts think, as there are way too many variables involved, not a computer model written by humans perfect enough to make any real predictions.
Might as well as break out the Magic 8-ball.
We cannot dump all that crap into the oceans and not impact the environment.
We cannot subject bees to all that insecticide and not impact the environment.
It is here. But what we, mere humans think on the subject, we are delusional and in love with our own intelligence.
“The arrogance of men is thinking nature is in our control and not the other way around.”
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I have seen things worsen over the years. Flooding where it never has, wildfires every season, wildlife behavioral changes. Just because we have the capability to do something doesn’t mean it is right or ethical.
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