February 7, 2021 at 9:03 am #33330
February 8, 2021 at 8:23 pm #33381Matt In OklahomaModerator
Let’s talk about being shot at on them.
Seems to be ignored in these conversations which isn’t realistic especially after sales last year and entitled leftist owners.
How much time will it be before you could safely ride one?
February 9, 2021 at 1:40 am #33397namelusParticipant
You are about as safe as a turtle on its back…. we have animals for transport….
Self drive with hands free and come here commands along with way more speed.than a bike could safely do over same terrain.
With cart or buggy carry 10 times what a loaded down bike rider could carry and do it so you can defend yourself. Also its edible and have highly advanced perception and alarm modes….
With blacksmith forge we can do the shoeing and build the carts/wagons easy and have several aluminium framed wagons for hay haulers and an old fashioned hay cutting machine and turning machine animal powered… just like crowbar s neighbors. We do have away to power tig/mig welder without fuel as well.know how to thermite.fuse metals.
Only thing we cant run is the baler…. but without fuel it will be hand labour or animal labor to plant harvest processs and distribute animal feed and human food.
Personally I would not use a bike for going to town its too far and you cant carry much and should things get rough will be using water route as roads will be impassable in few years without maintenance.
February 9, 2021 at 7:57 am #33398Matt In OklahomaModerator
Many of the internet conversations, even on TOP, elude to “going to ….”
Am I missing something? Where are you going?
Roads are safe? Your not going cross country between terrain, fences and water.
Every time I read the bicycle articles it leaves me with questions. In a slow boil yeah. In SHTF no your not.
February 9, 2021 at 8:36 am #33399
We have one main road.
Control that, we control the majority of local in-bound out-bound traffic. Especially at the bridge.
Once that is secure, most of us around here know each other or of each other. Unless we all resort to the bunker mentality, I expect to see people to be walking or bicycling around. The Amish being the exception with their horses and carriages.
Due to snow/ice storms, we all know we are on our own out here, and not expect help from outside. Long term survival will require us to have to depend on each other. There is no way I can bring in enough hay for the livestock overwinter and also bring in enough wood for fires overwinter. Not by myself.
Outside of the Amish, there are only a few out here that have horses. Once the fuel is gone, we are going to need the Amish not just for their horses but some of the old world knowledge they have. We know that. Hence anyone tries to mess with them, we have every intention to come to their defense.
Also, the “plan” is to set up a informal weekly/daily farmers market at either the post office or the town hall for trade and barter. Both centrally located.
February 9, 2021 at 12:55 pm #33405namelusParticipant
For us going would be to trade /sell items…
We have local farmers market every week for spring to fall.
We do get feed inputs from.other local source but will be scaling back operations in shft to provide a more manageable herd size without fuel.
We have an trading post on our property as well. As we have unique and diverse service specialist that alot of people already use.
eventually we will have to trade or get more raw materials no property has everything for indefinitely.
February 9, 2021 at 3:56 pm #33406
My wife equated it to Foreign Trade Policy: Two countries whom trade goods between each other (assuming fair market price/agreements) are less likely to go to war with each other as it is less costly than doing business.
And to a degree, creates a dependency relationship. I am not going to shoot Bob, as Bob helps me bring in hay/wood/whatever in exchange for half a hog.
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