Long-Range Shooting: Setting Up Your System

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  • #20112

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    https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2019/6/18/long-range-shooting-setting-up-your-system/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0619

    Hitting targets from really far away is a lot of fun.
    And if you have the $$$$ to spend on it, by all means!

    And he is right; You can have all the high-end rifle, scope and everything else, but if you have not mastered the fundamentals, you are not going to hit $hit!

    I had a co-worker with a custom Remington 700, name-drops a bunch of high end stuff and gets 2-3inch groups at 100yrds, sitting at concrete bench, off a lead-sled.

    It may not be a CF PB, but I do shoot my air rifle out to 105yrds. An 18grn pellet at that distance is LONG RANGE. The pellet is in the air for almost half a second.

  • #24763

    Optimist
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    You want to learn the lessons long range shooting has to teach?  Get yourself a set of 1/4 size targets and an accurate .22 Long Rifle bolt action scoped the same way you scope your long range rifle.  The rimfire will have about half the velocity of your bigger gun, at best, and the bullet shape will give you about double the drop of the bigger slug.

    For zero, you can set up your target at 25 yards, to simulate 100 yard zero of the centerfire, or 50, to simulate a 200 yard zero.  Learn hold on your scope reticle, and have somebody else place targets for you so you don’t know the ranges.  This is one of those processes where a shooting buddy can give you fits.  And it’s only fair to return the favor….

    • #24767

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      I do the same with my air rifle.

  • #24769

    Tolik
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    Too static for me , cant stand it , dont have the patience for it . Need to be moving around , more of a brawler .

  • #24772

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    I see it as a way to push myself in mastery of the fundamentals. Kinda like shooting really small groups too, but with the added factor of reading the wind.

  • #24775

    namelus
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    While learning basics is fine for stuff over 700 yard mark takes certain inate skills to be any good over 1200 you need very calm low adrenal shake.

     

    But now with  https://www.tracking-point.com/ makes skill a moot point if you have  $21,000

    In life things rarely stand still for you. Better to practice 300 yards and under moving targets. Most enviroments do not allow for constant long range engagements. There is a reason the final 2 shot to pass the stalk is under 150 yards.

     

    • #24789

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      That is where I do “snap” shooting, or combine some kind of exercise with marksmanship.
      And practice at field positions, not just static.

  • #24798

    Optimist
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    Long range shot is one you take when a target is held stationary for a time.  Classic case was the Union general who got sniped while he was shaving.  Kept him in one place while the bullet made its way across the mile from the ridge to his tent….  Done with a bench mounted bull gun….

    Long range shooting, and training for it is an exercise in offense.  Defensive shooting is closer, and usually deals with a moving target.

  • #24806

    namelus
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    So how at 1000 yards do you tell someone intent? Or shoot em all and let God sort em?

     

    Yes uses for sniper fire but for what is to come look at sandbox and see what was most useful. Sniper  ballistic loop shooting or snap shots move and leapfrog cover fire. Chances of a 1000 yard kill from regular folk is unlikely.  Any military unit has shot radar to find your location. Some cities have it now as well.

    When you can place 8 of 10.shots in a 4 inch circle then maybe. Big distance is equal skill and luck.

     

  • #24809

    Tolik
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    Agreed , at that point , its highly questionable about the need . Self defense argument is not an option . Seriously , if a person is a distance away , its highly unlikely , they are even aware you exist , and will probably pass on through . Justification at range is questionable at best for normal people .

  • #24811

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    Anti-material is a more likely situation.

    I was in Afghanistan for a year. It was not till the last 3 months we got an aerostat and artillery radar.
    The aerostat had the directional microphones, but that would only give the general direction and an estimated distance.
    The radar had a significant footprint both in hardware and personnel.

  • #24814

    namelus
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    True for anti material but for a rifle and ammo for that way cheaper for other deterants  as vehicles are not able to move through certain terrain and will mostly stick to water or roads.  air you need more than a single round per trigger pull weapon and well beyond  range of most rifles.

    That is why ied , rpgs where used against troops cheap and effective. Rpg has range of 950m but accuracy sucks after 250m the training rounds are loaded with standard AK ammo.

    Still at 250 it’s close and engagement will happen as it’s not subtle and leaves too big a trail to not be seen. Plus where do you get one with ammo here not at local gun store.  In Africa the price was around $600 for launcher and between $60 and $200 usd  per rocket.

    • #24819

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      Dont know where you are getting your information from, but most of our troops got engaged at about the 500m line. PKMs and RPGs were the main effort from elevated positions, and they found their target just fine (APCs). AKs in the harassment/support role. They would attack from elevated positions at the 500m line as they knew the limitation of our 5.56NATO round. Our M2 (aka Maw Duce .50 cal) and the MG240 got the most effective use. Anything 5.56NATO, and you just were wasting ammo.
      The Germans busted out scoped HK G3.

  • #24830

    namelus
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    Yeah note elevated position at a flat shot 250m is max without indirect fire. At that range 1 of 3 shots will hit target expecially with heat or thermobaric ammo the weight and shape of the charge are not aerodynamic

     

    The spec for rpg7v  is effective engagement range of 330m  700 m max  900m is when self destruct fuse goes off.  I am not an expert have put about 70 shots in real world personally it’s a pos but it cheap and you will run inyo in field and may have to use it.

     

     

  • #24832

    Tolik
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    If your going for anti material , then 50 BMG or 20mm Lapua , anything bigger than 50 bmg , is going to be difficult . Less because of any regulations , but more because its not profitable . A box of 50 BMG will sit on a store shelf , for over a year , in some places . We like them , but not enough to spend hard earned money on getting one .

  • #24836

    Optimist
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    So how at 1000 yards do you tell someone intent? Or shoot em all and let God sort em?

    If he’s busy cutting my back gate, he’s fair game if the lights and law are down.  Ditto if he’s trying to steal my fuel, or my livestock.  I keep good binoculars for the evaluation gig, and have other optics and equipment available.  You’d be amazed how much detail you can see through a 24x transit….

     

     

    • #24843

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      MidwayUSA was having a closeout sale on Pentax 60×20 binoculars. No kidding, they are nearly as good as some of the spotting scopes I used in NRA High Power.

  • #24842

    namelus
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    I don’t know where you live but I live on a section plus farm there is no 1000 yard shots  unless you can see over terrain.

     

    Guy at your fence he opens you shoot… that is asking for something bad to happen to you in future. Imagine if you go after shft and you open gate or drive past cattle gate and someone opens up on you killing a family member. .. will you let it lie or would you come back with a force to get pay back?

     

    If you go to steal or onto property and run into ambush where you are asked to leave at gun point  which of those two would make you reconsider moving ro a softer target.

     

    You can’t kill  everyone who comes on your property without becoming a cancer that will be routed out by the local community.  After things are done you don’t want to be in a war crimes court defending you and your family do you?

     

  • #24901

    Optimist
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    Times get hard enough, juries harden up too.  Man goes hungry because he has been stolen from, or hears his kids complaining of hunger because of a thief, he’s not liable to abide ’em.  As to the boogerbear of a war crimes commission after any major upheaval, if there are such, the wrong side won, and I’m toast anyhow.

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