National Preparedness Month Daily Challenge: Day 6

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  • #22281

    Daisy
    Keymaster

    Where would you go if you absolutely HAD to bug out?

    This really ties in with Selco’s article today about not being so married to your plan that you are willing to risk death in order to bug in. There are situations in which bugging out is simply the only option, like wildfires, floods, chemical spills, and many others.

    So if suddenly there was a knock at your door telling you that you had five minutes to get out of Dodge for whatever life-threatening reason, where would you go and how would you get there? When you answer this question, be careful not to share too much personal information. Don’t say “I’d go to Podunk, Virginia to stay with my sister Sally.” Say “I’d go to a small town 3 hours north and stay with my sister.”

    I know that many – if not most – of us plan to hunker down. But think flexibly here – where would you go? If you don’t have a bug out plan, check out this PDF book.

    Share your ideas

    What is your plan for bugging out? How many different ways could you get there? Let’s talk about it in the comments.

  • #22283

    corsaire
    Participant

    relatives or campgrounds. The exact place would depend on what and where the hazard is

  • #22284

    Farmnurse
    Participant

    It is hard to decide where to go when we do not know the situation, however we do have a network of friends that have various locations for us to go to

  • #22287

    If I had to but out I would go to my sister that lives in the Amish country.

  • #22282

    Muffy1938
    Participant

    If a knock on the door brought the message of immediate evacuation for our community ever comes, I think I would pretty quickly decide to comply as delay could mean getting trapped in a horrific traffic jam. There is only one minor highway in and through our little community. Assuming traffic is able to flow steadily once vehicles get out to the main highway, I would head to family approximately 20 miles away using my four wheeled drive SUV (that I keep always with a full tank of gas and stocked with my 4 day survival bug-out bag and “stuff”). Before leaving my house, I would use my 5 minutes to grab my firearm and ammunition, plus the box of important documents and emergency cash I have at the ready.

    This challenge is a hard one for me to consider as my inclination would be to simply stay put. I’m older and physically limited. Home feels safe. Yet, I think being mentally prepared to take immediate action could end up being more prudent even though I could find myself in a very tough survival situation. Hmmmm….

  • #22289

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    As I have livestock, that would be tricky.

    Have to think on that one.

  • #22291

    Janette Schill
    Participant

    I would definitely be headed for a family spot which changes as our son changes the spots usually every year. I do have my favorite spot up in the forest, but I would take our son’s advice and go with him. We all have our BOV and supplies ready to roll. We try to practice our plan every year by having a family camping trip. We plan to adapt and overcome, so whatever the SHTF throws at us we are ready.

  • #22292

    Loving Life
    Participant

    I have currently have two houses. One is on the outskirts of a large metro area and the other in a rural area of Upstate NY. If I had to bug out, I would got to the other house.

    The journey between the two houses is for the most part on well travelled interstate. With a major event (bugout), the roads would be congested, if not grid locked. Over the last year, I have mapped out various alternative routes on lesser traveled roads. Yes, I highlighted them on paper maps! I even went so far as to try a route or two (with back up GPS at first and then completely via map). A few months ago, I even did it at night. I found these practices to be so worth the effort. I learned a lot.

  • #22293

    sionnach
    Participant

    Depends on the particulars, but I would either head to my son’s home or to a friend’s property in the middle of nowhere. The difficulty would be in collecting all the animals in that time.

  • #22294

    Tracy
    Participant

    My first place is my parents house. It is 9 miles away and can be walked relatively easily. If I need a further destination, my uncle has invited us, the problem is that it is 250 miles away (to far to walk)   I keep my car always full of gas, so if driving is an option, I can still get there.

  • #22295

    Farm Girl
    Participant

    Yes, the real question for us is what would we do with the cows and chickens?  Dogs (2) would be easy, cats, (2), not so much.  And 5 minutes would not be enough to round up cows and chickens.  But if we just worry about us and the dogs, we would either go to our sons, 12 minutes away, or one of our parents, over 3 hours away.  We could go camp at a relatively close by lake, rather than drive 3 hours; that might be the better option.  Depends on the type of emergency, and how long we would have to be gone.

  • #22298

    Lilac5 farm
    Participant

    I have 2 sons who each live 30 minutes away, one to the North and one to the West. I can get to both homes on back roads. The one to the West has a farm so if possible I would go there –  chickens, a pond, garden, cattle. The other son lives in the suburbs and would probably be heading my way.

  • #22299

    Clergylady
    Participant

    Where depends on the why.

    Wildfire: I’d head toward a town an hours drive east of here to wait it out. Then hope to come home or at least camp on my land. Septic system and wells would still exist even if home were gone. I have 2 sons and good friends in that town. Most direct route is the interstate but in several places the old road that predated the interstate still exists and could be used to get around gridlock. There are places with no alternate and just the interstate crosses the country. It’s too rugged to take off cross country except on foot. At 72 and 82 and he has stage 6 of 7 Alzheimer’s, that isn’t an option. I’ve lived there but I hate cities.      A town 20 miles west by the old road is also a possibility. There are no great friends but there are abandoned building and motels. There is a Wal-Mart that allows overnight in the parking lot. Certainly an easier place to get to. It’s half way to becoming a ghost town. There is also a KOA type campground with some amenities.

     

    If it’s political. I head a little way West then north into the mountain above me. We live in the foothills. We could with determination walk across private properties but if we can drive there I’d take the 4×4 truck with its always full gas tank and a close by 5 gal gas can. Camping gear, bug out bags, important papers are all close if we have 5 minutes. If not the box in either the car or truck would give us 1 change of weather appropriate clothing, 2 blankets and food and water with mess kits for cooking to last a few days. The mountain has deer, elk, bear, big cats, wild turkeys and more. I know places with water and if still unfound I have caches on the mountain from when I was able to go hiking often. My preferred place is an almost unknown tiny ancient pit house ruin near a water seap. Well hidden after fording a rock bed stream that is safe to drive on. Only a short area where tracks would need to be hidden. My old motor home could easily hid there under a stand of trees. Or just build a new roof over the ancient dwelling. Short term or long term it would be my choice location if I can’t stay home. I’d take a bicycle to use to check out the situation around the mountain. There is a bench 3 miles above that with a spring where wild life goes for water. My bows and arrows are by the front door. Much quiter than guns. Snares and Forraging make for a more secure food supply. I’ve done it before with just one change of clothing, a pocket knife and half a book of paper matches. I made it for 10 months. It was a milder climate but still I spent many nights below freezing. Here -10 to -20 winter nights are to be reasonably expected. I love solitude and making things. If it were long term this would be My First Choice. If bugging out becomes a necessity.

  • #22300

    Clergylady
    Participant

    I have three dozen chickens. Half really are free range other than fire I wouldn’t worry about them. If I had 10-15 minutes I’d take the rabbits in their cages, the young ducks are in a big dog crate, then see about chickens. I have a stack of cages. Food barrels would be easy to grab. Forraging for greens this time of year would make them happy. If I headed to town they’d have to stay in cages in the truck. Short term servivable and a feed store is right there. I’d hate to leave them but might not have a real choice without help. My husband would be willing to help but only does things with short step by step direction. Short term memory is pretty much gone. Dog and perhaps cat in a carrier could go with us. I have a kennel or leash for the little dog.

  • #22301

    Dala Barnes
    Participant

    This is one of the worries about bugging out. I have family on all four points of the compass. Most are 2-3 days away by car. The closest is 6 hours by car. We would definitely have quite a hoof if we need to walk. We would go but it would be a worry for our destination.

  • #22302

    Livingthe Dream
    Participant

    Where I go would depend on the time of year.  If it was summer I would head north to family, in the winter south.  I have an RV that is kept stocked and ready to go during the summer.  In the winter I would need to get far enough that I could de-winterize it.  5 minutes would give me time to grab the backpack with important papers, laptop, extra cash, and chargers plus add a change of clothes.

  • #22303

    OldMt Woman
    Participant

    \0/   As this is prep month, just this morning we filled my truck with gas from the gas containers…then DH went immediately to refill them and add stabilizer.  So I’m assuming that Daisy’s 5 minute warning takes place right now….with filled truck, car, and gas containers…..  😉

    Having packed up for real Evac and dozen’s of PRE- Evac situations, I know that 5 minutes is barely time to grab the dog and the bags situated right by the door.  At that, I’d be tossing them over the 2nd story porch railing and DH would be stuffing them into the car/truck.  Try timing an Evac and see….  5 minutes is NO TIME.

    I have a REMINDER CARD made from the back side of a cereal box.  Written LARGE in magic marker so I don’t need to find my reader glasses.  Lists several things that should be included in any Evac …stuff that can’t be positioned on the shelves by the front door.  Reminder Card is pinned to the shelves.

    Sooo important from that list would be: 1)   M.I.P. box [most important papers] from a more secure location than those shelves.   2)   Meds.   3)  Ice/gel packs for me.   4)  Water….no, I have water in truck/car except during winter, it’s frozen. 5)   Adaptive equipment.  6) Dog food/dishes for “She Who Won’t Eat From Anything Else”…Hmph!    7)  Laptop/Kindle.  8)  Certain Prep devices.  Etc. ….

    About 15 Very Important Items are written on that large Reminder……of which in a 5 minute warning, I might get the first three while shoving my feet into Crocks and snapping the leash onto the dog.  And that’s calculating that DH is home [today] and helping.  RUN in ways only a massive adrenaline surge allows me.  I’ll pay later.

    Since much of our basic camping stuff “lives” in my truck [except anything that smells of FOOD – cuz our bears would rip my topper apart to get to any of that]  we have the option of camping if we go left.  We have friends not far away that have invited us but usually that would be too close…they’d be near Evac too.  If we had to go far to the left….that would be camping.  There is nothing out there and only one highway most of the way to get there.  Backed-Up-Traffic.  Further is small towns and tiny towns that would be overrun before we arrived.  But a lot of open land.  We could wait it out camping…but I’d need to find a stream and trees to be safe from heat.  [Not even going to think of the snakes who are there, that we don’t have.  The difference between high and low country.]

    If we could go right, we’d go to our elderlies.  We have back roads ….unless those would be unsafe from whatever is causing the Evac.  We’ve already done this Evac InRealLife.  Back roads for most of it.  Small town; big enough for a Walmart.  And a place to stay. BTDT until that town was put under Pre-EVAC notice.  Then we moved to lower elevation again….

    In that long-ago Evac, we left before official Evac was called.  We left in THICK smoke.  We managed to Evac [with help cuz we were early]  the baby ducks, horses, dog and cats.  Our animals were spread over 3 counties by the time all was said and done.  Horses kept changing locations …cuz helpful hosts were run out by that monster wildfire and less helpful hosts only thot they would have to host our horses for 3 days.  Evac was far more than three days…

    LIVE AND DIE BY PLAN B, C, AND D!!!

    In a 5 minute Evac, the ducks would stay on the pond – for better or worse.  We have crates and they always toodle up to see us if we are in the barnyard.  Easy to round them up but…no time.  Their crates “live” right there on their pen……cuz animal rescue sometimes will come and grab animals they can find during an Evac situation.

    The horses…. I would not even have time to put on their halters with our I.D. on them….let alone try to hitch the horse trailer that fits 1 and a half horses.  Previous horses were all trained come along, me holding lead rope out my driver’s side window.  These….Are….Not.    But we’d stop to open their gate if it was a wildfire Evac.  Other options only possible with a longer warning.

    Do not be 5 minutes late in Evacuating Human Life….for the sake of maybe evacuating beloved animals. 🙁  🙁  🙁    Give them a chance if you can....but don’t let your family mourn your death for an animal.  The dog would be with us, quickly and easily.

    OldMtWoman  ….detest EVAC  {shudder}

    • This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by  OldMt Woman.
  • #22305

    Pony Maroni
    Participant

    As others have pointed out, this would be situationally dependent. We could wind up at a neighbor’s a few miles up the road, or at a friend 40 miles away.

    We would be able to have necessary livestock loaded within 15 minutes, and both places would welcome what we bring.

    We will have to do some serious thought on this one, since our place is the “go to” for many.

  • #22306

    Selco
    Keymaster

    I will jump in here with few points.

    Few times I had to run in “5 minutes notice”, and interesting thing that happened that (especially in starting period of SHTF) I performed very bad, in a way that in 5 minutes I failed to prioritize what is important to carry, and what is not important.

    It is simply because we have so much “important” things around us, that belong to us.

    What is most important?

    Your own life!

    And means to sustained that life.

    If  in future you are going to have only 5 minutes to leave your home, without clear plan and proper “training” you will fail to perform on a good way.

    In worst case you will die trying to save your belongings (to carry it with you) or in better case you will take with you stuff that is not important.

    So it is very good excersize actually-what will you carry with you if you have 5 minutes warning, where is that in your house, how will you organize other family member etc.

    5 minutes is very short period, especially if you are under lot of stress.

    I have seen people getting shot because they spent additional 2 minutes trying to lock door (in time when locked door do not mean anything to anyone), or in other case i have seen lady shot dead, because she could not run-she carried (while running from her house) sewing machine, which was practically worthless piece of garbage in the world without electricity.

    Habits, and valuing things can be good, when SHTF try to make new list of values and priorities.

     

  • #22307

    namelus
    Participant

    Depends what emergancy. We could not move live stock in less than 2 hours.

    If it was  never coming back would be same as back in 24 hours. Have back up id’s solids banks accounts travel arragements. Could take only immediate  family. Have long term care arranged for elders if it was out of  country , or prolonged no return. I have decided that Simon black way of prepping makes sense as I have had to leave a country at minimal notice before.

    Everyone has a bug out bag every vehicle is stocked with a 1 month ration kit and survival gear. Only equipmet is sometimes left not fueled to go. All have commuincation devices and memorized pertinent info.

    We have family in the local 5 hour area, and in several other countries.

     

    I would have to say only way I could see this happening would be an act of God like asteroid strike or super  volcano. Earthquake,tsunami,enviromental have all been considered even post shft mass of humanity migration. Our problem is we are remote if you don’t have people with proper skills it would be dangerous to be here with just a few people.

  • #22308

    Littlesister
    Participant

    Because we are in an area that has hurricanes, we keep bug out bags on the ready.  I would go to stay with cousins about 4 hour trip from here.  Material things are just that..  We can do without all the things we have here. They can be replaced. Our lives cannot. So what I have in our bug out bags, our medications, a few clothes to get us through as that is already in bug out bags. Our important papers which are also in bug out bags and we would be able to get underway.  Due to DH’s condition, I try to make something like having to get out of harms way a bit easier for him. Would also have some food and water for the trip out to cousins.

  • #22309

    woodsrunner
    Participant

    IT would depend on reason why and whether nearby relatives had same order.  Also depend on how long the event would be expected.  Five minutes is VERY short time.  It might take that long to get disabled person, dogs and meds in car.  Short time would not be much of a problem but long range more so.  We have friends and relatives in different states if needed that badly.  Don’t have any farm animals to think about.  Also depends on what time of year.  In a blizzard would be very bad if roads impassible.  Have a choice of what direction to go but plan to bug in.

    We have people here who look out for each other so it would depend on how wide spread the problem was.  May caravan.  A lot would depend on how far we would need to go to get away from problem.

    I have to work on the 5 minute thing.  I would do badly at that.  If absolutely worst, just grab meds, bugout bag and wing it on the fly.

  • #22310

    Appaloosa
    Participant

    I have to admit this is food for thought because I am much better prepared to bug in rather than bug out and 5 minutes is no time at all…

  • #22311

    woodsrunner
    Participant

    Just thought- if roads were impassible no one would be knocking on my door.  Then the threat could only be if house burning down or something similar and in that case wouldn’t have to go far.

  • #22312

    Piper
    Participant

    Our adult son lives in the state next to us. I have friends in all directions that say to come to them anytime. We have several grab and go totes, everyone knows what they need to grab. Go Bags are already in the car. We have bags with clothes in them to grab as well. It’s been a while since we have practiced, but we can make it out of the house in less than 5 minutes. We should probably get back in the habit of practicing.

     

  • #22313

    Jessee Jones
    Participant

    I have a home 30 minutes from mine, another place 16 miles from me, one 40 miles from me, one in Virginia, and one in North Carolina. I have an issue walking so if I had to walk, it would mean the bug out bag and that is out it as I would have to use forearm canes. The last time we had to evac, I did very badly. Couldn’t think and feel that I went into a panic even though we had discussed multiple times. This is something that I need to practice.

  • #22314

    Mama cando
    Participant

    For a minor event and we couldn’t stay put, we would go to Son 2’s.  A major event: I’m not sure if we could get to family and/or friends in other states if the car is unusable.Car is set up with our BOB’s, water, extra gas (goes in when we have to leave),etc. DH would grab the small fireproof strongbox and our meds, I would grab the cats and I know I’ll catch heck for this but I will also grab my Christmas ornament. It’s been in my family for 128 years now and even in the Great Depression, my great grandmother would not sell or trade it. If she could hang on to it thru two wars and the depression, I can hang on to it too.   I have mobility issues so walking long distances will be hard. I’ve gotten up to 3 miles then my leg quits. It’s extremely frustrating for someone who danced as a profession in the legitimate theater to be so hobbled. DH can do 5 miles before his feet quit and he has to get off them.

  • #22317

    Dragonfly
    Participant

    I would head to my parents an hour away.  They live in a rural area.  I would grab important papers, phones, cash, cat, and BOB’s.  Have kids grab chargers and appropriate weather gear.  It’s time to check BOB’s and start transitioning them for winter clothes.  I might want to think of other things I can preposition in vehicle and another bug out location, just in case.<

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  • #22322

    Prepper Urbano
    Participant

    <p style=”text-align: center;”>To the mountains!</p>

  • #22343

    scott weech
    Participant

    we have friends/relatives all over to stay at, if we can get there by car. i have lots of backpacking gear, but

    my wife is in such bad condition she could not hike 10 feet, might have to leave her behind for the bears.

  • #22354

    OldMt Woman
    Participant

    After reading Selco’s post……….

    I’m not stuck on stay or evac.  We set up to be able to run IF we’d have to.  MUCH rather not EVAC AT ALL, seeing we’re already in the boonies.  But sometimes there is NO choice.

    However….hmm, yeah, I am pretty much oriented specifically for EVAC involving WILDFIRE.

    Having some sort of Red Dawn Event…..someone coming up the long road/driveway with guns….THAT would change the whole scenario.  Cuz then we’d be heading out the back door and up into the hills.  In my case, I might have to play “baby bear” and just run up a thick tree to hide.  Even adrenalin won’t take my legs too far…up/down steep hills, tho I’m building stamina for flat.  Good thing I’m usually wearing muted colors. Yes I HAVE scouted a couple trees and could climb them.  Hate being treed tho.  Hmph!

    If it were not wildfire, but human danger of some kind, and we had that 5 minutes and would be leaving by vehicle….I’d change just a couple things quickly.  But honestly, a vehicle evac from these roads would quickly place you in a hours-long traffic jam on the few gravel roads.  I’ve got Forest Service maps but you can get into some real axle-breaking situations on those after all these eroding rains.  We do carry shovels in vehicles to do rutted road repair….that takes time/energy.

    In a Red Dawn Event…..[ referring to the old movie…enemy parachutes into middle America.  I’m FAR from any country borders or shorelines]    I can’t really even imagine a sensible Evac plan from here.  Deeper….Higher?  Grabbing the horses might be a better plan… stay off the roads and find like-minded friends to join up.  Shrug.   Need to dye those hunter-ORANGE saddlebags.  Wire cutters!

    ….the old/disabled are not good candidates for survival-on-the-move, but we’d try anyway….  I’d need a Backdoor BOB!!!

    @ scott w…… “leave her for the bears” ?  {roll eyes} 😉

    OldMtWoman  …hmph, thinking of a DIFFERENT flavor of Evac…uff tah!

  • #22390

    JD Darling
    Participant

    I have backup locations in the vicinity, within the state and across the country, those people have here as a backup location.

  • #22407

    3cats1dog Johnson
    Participant

    We have another location, but it’s 7 hr on mostly interstates. Have examined maps for other roads, which would add maybe 3 more hours, depending on situation, of course. Have about 9 gallons of gas in garage. Have converted a coat closet to shelves for storage of immediate evacuation items, but still working on getting things together. Our pets would take 5 minutes to round up and secure into the car. If need to make a minor relocation, have 3 relatives in area where we could go and know various routes to each. Still thinking about the pets and 5 minutes to go…

  • #22424

    Mama T
    Participant

    Depending on the issue, we could go to a few different locations. We have an RV that is ready to go,  besides food and a few personal items. A 5 min heads up would be hard but we could throw together a decent amount and head out.

  • #22747

    Crusher 1
    Participant

    I did A LOT of thinking about this one.  Being new to preparedness, I’d thought about leaving, but with having some time.  Today, we would fail miserably if we only had 5 minutes.  I have thought a lot about what we need to have ready to go and where to keep it handy in our house.  We have relatives about 40 minutes north and others that are about 2 hours east.  Depending on road accessibility and duration, we’d go to one of those 2 places.

  • #22753

    OldMt Woman
    Participant

    Crusher 1…..welcome to being prepared for more situations.  There are so many ways one can get forced out of the home, so it’s a good one to take a long look at.  Good luck.

    OldMtWoman

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