Police allowed to deny first aid to suspects

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  • #11061

    namelus
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    https://mobile.wnd.com/2019/03/police-allowed-to-deny-suspects-emergency-medical-help/
    <p style=”text-align: center;”>Your tax dollars at work</p>

    #11129

    Daisy
    Keymaster

    Lovely. I’m sure you saw those lawsuits where the court determined they’re under no obligation to protect people either.

    What exactly are we paying them for? Oh yeah. To give us tickets and arrest people AFTER a crime has been committed.

    #11146

    Tolik
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    Earning the hate , every day .

    #11147

    Osito Arelano
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    Not that it should matter, but around here half of our ‘police force’ are volunteers. They buy their own equipment, they don’t get paid. They might get the use of the vehicle, but that’s it.

    I believe it is written down somewhere exactly what the local police are being paid to do. Might be different for each force, not sure. But things like serving warrants, investigating crimes. Notice I said inveastigating, not preventing.

    Hypothetically, even if they were being paid to prevent or protect. How long does it take from start to finish before your average crime is done and over? Less time than it takes for the police to show up usually.

    And if they happen to be in the right place at the right time, what happens if they mis interpret who the bad guy is? Or it’s kinda murky who the bad guy is? Even if they KNOW who the bad guy is, they can still be sued in a civil suit for bodily harm (pretty sure). That’s zero motivation to just jump in and save the day.

    As for provding first aid, I go back to the civil suit problem. This is true for the average joe too. If you don’t live somewhere with good samaritan laws, you can be in a world of hurt if things don’t go well. People sue for the stupidist stuff, they don’t care that you were trying to help. They straight up argue that if you don’t have the training of a combat medic you shouldn’t be trying to help. How many people have indepth field medicine training?

    Jeez, humanity shoots itself in the foot on a regular basis. Our own behavior  as a group has led us here, where no one wants to get involved.

    <end rant>

    #11138

    OldMt Woman
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    More disturbing:

    “The police pursued, shooting White twice in the back and then twice in the chest as he lay on the ground,” Rutherford said.
    Read more at https://mobile.wnd.com/2019/03/police-allowed-to-deny-suspects-emergency-medical-help/#ZC2wWLBOPC8sb14S.99

    (Bold is mine)

    More than one LEO….he’s on the ground…..  Did he still have the knife?  If he tried to get up again, mebbe. Hard to say if we weren’t there ….but that part does bother me.

    {sigh}  Mental illness is such a deep and difficult subject.  I’ve worked professionally with children/teens and with adults for many years.  It can be scary…and a small percentage of the time, M.I. can cause a person to be truly dangerous.  🙁   (Add street drugs and the percentage goes up a bit.)  But most of the fear is cuz the behavior can be so very strange and incomprehensible.  And nothing more than that.  OTOH….there is that small percentage, so it pays to be cautious especially if a particular person’s behaviors are unknown to you.

    Many folks are fortunate to have meds work for them.  Some slip off their meds for whatever reason….but returning to meds sets them straight again.  Others try and try meds and nothing seems to balance them.  🙁  Even if they are med-compliant.  Sad.

    But on the topic of NOT RENDERING AID when you have the training….. {shaking my head in dismay}  I really hope some day we have a reliable Mental Health Assessment for personality types that are SUITABLE for being LEO’s.  We have many wonderful law enforcement officers who are going crazy trying to do the best job possible in a harsh and dangerous environment.  The ‘mean’ cops…’dirty’ cops…..’cowardly, over-compensating, power cops’… are giving the rest a baaad name.  So the good ones have to battle that too.  Sad.

    OldMtWoman

    #11190

    namelus
    Participant

    It’s now becoming like third world you don’t call police because then you have two problems instead of one.
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>The other problem is police are PAID public employees next EMT will say same bs about not rendering aid then fire fighters fire.</p>
    I can also see abuse of this to torture out information and to hide crimes dead person can’t talk. Not like they already don’t get away with murder, rape, assault,theft lie in,  drug dealing. Yes some good cops,  not like you can tell them from bad ones. Its like saying some good members of Congress when rest are questionable at best and cover for the less than honest.

    Many say police serve and protect, obviously no John q public as stated, so what the corrupt system? The politician and rich?

    #11193

    James Mitchner
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    For a cop, his/her first responsibility is to make it back home at the end of shift alive and uninjured.  In the long-term its lasting until retirement and collecting benefits.  If they help people along the way thats great.  But it isn’t really their primary goal each day regardless of them telling you that they just wanted to help people.  Dealing with those they must deal with on a daily basis and all that altruism disappears like mist in the sun early in a career. Its not just cops.  It can apply to other public services as well that are prone to develop a “us against them” attitude.

    #11211

    Tolik
    Participant

    Sort of like British soldiers attitude toward the colonists , just before the revolution .

    #11291

    Whirlibird
    Participant

    It’s always nice to read these click bait hit pieces.

    So let’s break it down a bit.

    Medical attention was not denied, it was slow, very slow. And having been in situations where I was waiting for the ambulance for 15-30 minutes just for the personnel to get to the ambulance barn, let alone respond that one isn’t a LE hit.

    So, the officers on scene. I guess they could have started emergency surgery on the spot with their pocket knives, but that’s probably not the best idea.

    Most cops carry a set or two of gloves, maybe a tourniquet and in some places a package of quick clot. My last department, there was only one officer who carried it.

    Then as part of the discussion, being trained in “first aid”, or as a “first responder”, one isn’t trained to treat multiple chest wounds. A friend who is both a LEO and combat medic, might try and work on someone but has also admitted in discussions that without serious medical care at an emergency room, it’s basically urinating in the wind.

    As to Warren vs DC, that’s another argument entirely.

    #11309

    namelus
    Participant

    What would you do if it was your loved one that died because no aid given? Why do all front line troops have basic first aid, so there is time for medic/ems to get there. Would you be ok and not try to get justice for your loss?

     

    Not like this policy will not put police more in cross hairs than they already are. What would happen if first aid person didn’t treat police officer?

     

    Would one officer wait for ems without trying to help thier partner? Yeah I get some people are human filth, that’s why laws, courts and prison exist, I know they are less than perfect but allowing this will not end well.

     

    trust in police is already at a low point, this will further erode and public confidence and will lead down a path that will bear a horrible cost, look to any third world and see where it will go.

     

     

    #11336

    namelus
    Participant

    Police Claim Teen Shot Herself in the Mouth With Hands Cuffed Behind Her Back During Traffic Stop

    Is this the kind of no first aid policy and policing you want. I am sure there was no need at that point to render aid.

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