January 13, 2022 at 4:32 pm #45254Crow BarKeymaster
I dunno. Is the gun buying public going to ditch the 5.56 for the .277FURY, or which ever 6.8 round the DoD decides to field?
After weighting the pros and cons, I still keep coming back to the .308WIN for all around performance (realistic, be different if I was competing in NRA High Power again, or PRS), availability and cost.
January 13, 2022 at 9:07 pm #45264
I’ll give it a look but I’m not one who’s panties fall off every time a sealdeltareconranger carries something somewhere.
Am I going to ditch everything in 556. No 😂
This might be a good cartridge like the Grendel or a bust like the Valkyrie. There have been a dozen military wonder cartridges invented the last 5 years to solve imaginary issues and a few real (6mm ARC anyone?) and yet here we are with a new one. Where did they all go?
January 14, 2022 at 7:43 am #45272
On the surface the 277 appears to beat the 6.5 Creedmore
However if you will notice these ballistics SIG chose to use are from the 16” and 24” barrels but the rifle they are fielding is a 13”
So in that 3” of barrel lose you can count on velocities to significantly drop. It’s a little marketing trickery. They are being greedy and trying to corner the whole market with a new ammo too.
Would it increase hit probability over the 308 at distance? I think so as it is a flatter trajectory.
I’m not convinced that recoil will be mitigated though as the same bullet weights and a lighter rifle than most 308 platforms is being used. That would have to be a hands on deal.
Is the terminal damage the round will do going to be greater than what exists? No
Much like the Grendel and Creedmoore and all the others you have to keep it real when hunting for depth of penetration, expansion, energy, bullet weight AND sectional density. The military is looking for hits. The real military is looking for kills so it compares more to hunting. In other words those .22 competitors who shoot out to 600 with subsonic 22s can get the round on target but how many bad guys are they really going to terminate with extreme prejudice?
Now for the real world to see if it actually works. That is important as anyone who jumped the 224 Valkyrie bandwagon knows. Nothing like buying a 1K yd gun and ammo and shooting a 4” group at 100 because it looked good on paper and computer but the barrel/ammo didn’t match because no one actually tried it before market.
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January 14, 2022 at 12:22 pm #45285Crow BarKeymaster
I like the 6.5Grendel.
I do not understand the hype around the 6.5CM. The .260Rem has nearly the same numbers and has been around for years. The 6.5L same thing and has been around since 2005.
But again, the .308WIN does everything I need it to, at a decent cost.
The FURY, well, that is being driven by DoD requirements, one of them the ability to penetrate body armor.
It would not surprise me if some of the gun bunnies will jump on it for advantages it will have over (insert other ammo here).
Most the time, for the average shooter they cannot eek out the advantages of one round vs another.
January 14, 2022 at 6:10 pm #45303
I read the AP requirement but neither offering’s are superior or even made for it.
I’m guessing it’ll come post contract.
I just don’t see the velocities needed to gain that much over other current inventory. I’m wondering what distance they are looking at being able to punch level 3?
January 14, 2022 at 1:33 pm #45290TolikParticipant
Like FN , anything they make is going to be way overpriced . ……………………for those of us that work for a living , I’ll pass , and get something that gets the job done , at half the price . Just sayin .
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