November 28, 2020 at 11:07 am #31162
Over on TOP, in the comments sections there have been some posting comments about how “theives” or your neighbors will come in and raid your place.
So, how to defend against these undesirables?
Does not have to be your particular situation/home/stead. But seeing as how everyone lives in different parts of the country, in urban, subburban and rural areas any input would be interesting/valuable.
November 28, 2020 at 2:45 pm #31169
Its first a layered defense the perimeter has fencing 5 strand barbed that has two strands that are hot for cattle it let’s you know which zone the break was in.
5/6 of land surrounded by massive river 100 yards wide and moves at 6 knots and is crazy cold. 7 months of a year its impassible due to ice being too thin or massive water melt runs with trees. We are highest local. Valley property for over 100miles until the mountains. We have once in 100 year flood this year… zero damage other than a bit of stuffing on road in was 2 days in excavator to fix.
Animals in outer layer are not that people friendly
Cameras both visible and not with night capabilities. There wired and wireless.
Dogs geese and llama . Make a lot of noise if wrong person or animal near them.
Physical barriers inside perimeter for funneling.
Using thorny fruit bearing bushes to enhance cross fencing like black berry, sea buck thorn , raspberry.
Seemingly open areas anything but.
Physical motion detectors (wire lines)
Choice of location of main buildings.. it’s all up hill with 300m of open space you need to cross with fences and swales full of blackberries.
Building has hand built doors and no low windows that can’t be storm shuttered. No second floor to climb on no burnable materials used in construction. Of anything other than door
Main door has a 6×6 carved cross nailed made out of oak 2×6 with a nice gate of decorative and defensive wrought iron door weighs 2 tons but can be pushed open one handed by a child as counter weighted. Massive locking beam or steel inside that drops into place
Side door is the same but smaller
Gates on roads on property not kind you can easily drive through with normal vehicle and skirting them is not easy without alot of work in the open.
There is a call box at main gate to alert house and get access.. a second gate just after big enough a semi with 54 foot deck can be in between both gates when closed.
Closest neighbor is 5 miles we are on considerable acreage.
This is effort from more than one family over a decade of dedication. It is a producing farm since covid many who lived off farm moved especially with kids. Now only a few who have jobs they can not quit from don’t live here full time. We gave up homes in cities, retirement savings other wealth items to see this work. It now allows all to live here in moderate comfort for foreseeable future and retirement.
There is more but that’s private.
November 28, 2020 at 3:26 pm #31170Matt In OklahomaModerator
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Shepherds will become a thing again. You won’t be carrying a staff or rod but a rifle.
The situation can be 6 chicken to 200 head of cattle so like namelus stated layers but that’s hard with herds.
Most herds aren’t run open range anymore anyway but rather moved from one pasture to another.
Smaller animals are going to be moved into barns, corrals or coops at night.
Between man, critters and nature the losses could be around 20% a year IMO. That will need to be accounted for in starting numbers as well as attrition and breeding.</p>
November 29, 2020 at 10:31 am #31181
I use portable fencing for my livestock. Never lost an animal to any predators.
Did have a deer try to go through one of the fences a few months ago.
But I could see the need for a armed shepherds again.
We get a lot of snow and single digit lows are not uncommon. That could be a deterrent in itself. And it is dang hilly here. Assuming the fuel is gone, travel would be limited to how far I could walk or bicycle in a day.
Other things, would form a loose agreement with the neighbors to come to their aid if need be. We already kinda do that now.
Like to think we could also form up some thing like a militia, but not only for security, but as a fire fighting force too, as if the trucks cannot run, might be back to pails.
November 29, 2020 at 2:03 pm #31194LittlesisterParticipant
Crow bar you are so right about all of that. Though our neighbors around here are the new ones that have moved in an keep pretty much to themselves and for the older neighbors that have lived here for a long time are now keeping to themselves. That could be due to the virus, but not for sure. They don’t help anyone out anymore. As much as I want to move to country, it is impossible right now. I am now in process of pricing fencing. From what I hear between wood and the plastic fencing, I am going with a wood fence as I can do more to that than with plastic or PVC type fencing.
When we first moved here, it was country. Lots of farmland. Most of the farmland has been sold off over the past 10 years or so. We now have a community of high traffic jams, loads and loads of apartments and houses have been put up and more in process of being built. Stores like crazy.. One apartment complex they are still working on has stores on bottom and 3 floors of appts. over top of those stores. It is huge and right down the street from us. About a 5 or 6 minute drive by car. Really need to get out of dodge as this is also a military area around us with 2 shipyards as well. With DH’s health situation, that move is out of reach at this time. Though my daughter and son in law has already said if DH for some reason does not make it, they will be coming here to get me and move me up to where they are about to move in NC. Son in law got a promotion that required him to move. Daughter will be staying until the house is sold and then moving to NC to be with her DH. All I can say is if they want me to move to where they will be, it best be in the country.
November 30, 2020 at 6:26 pm #31227
Be advised: There are those out there whom think they are entitled to what you have and some even advocate using force to take it.
December 15, 2020 at 2:40 pm #31583BarrensHomeyParticipant
When we bought our cabin 5 years ago I noticed the door showed signs of forced entry. In talking to the neighbors I learned that the meth head a quarter mile down had a fondness for breaking and entering – maybe that’s why the previous owner was so hot to sell. No matter; meth boy has been carted off to the stir and we haven’t had any problems since. OTOH there are plenty more like him out in the barrens; I will be augmenting our fencing/lighting/surveillance systems in the coming months.
As for hard wiring for sensors and alarm lines; do you bury cable, run along fence lines or suspend on poles? Squirrels and such think insulation is a tasty treat (until they bite the high voltage line, then they are cooked critters).
December 15, 2020 at 3:37 pm #31585
I would say to bury them.
We have a equipment rental place and rented a small “digger” to bury a line. It went down about 6inches.
Also, camo where the line goes into the house too with landscaping.
December 15, 2020 at 3:56 pm #31590Matt In OklahomaModerator
Hard to say on cables. Is gophers or tornadoes the bigger threat to damage?
December 15, 2020 at 9:31 pm #31597
Depends on your area….just het armored underground tek cable maybe a larger animal like dog sized could with enough effort get through but small ones no way.
If you are in non rock place or you dont live in solid rock there is a cable laying tool you can rent just have all the runs and junctions mapped out before hand.
December 16, 2020 at 12:29 pm #31611BarrensHomeyParticipant
Yep. I’d hate to hit that electric company line.
December 16, 2020 at 2:58 pm #31620
Electric guys and other utilities are 5 feet plus… always call before you dig…. this puts cable about 6 inches down so no real risk unless you have sprinklers on your lawn.
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