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Daisy 1 year, 7 months ago.
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AnonymousCelebrate Veterans Day remembering that the military serves the empire and not the American people. Respect who was duped into give his life, limbs or mind for a false cause. Stop thanking the military for their service; ask them to remember their oath.
The Founding Fathers refused the concept of a standing army. Now we have that and a military industrial complex, both operating outside the Constitution and harming the interests of the people and of the nation. Use this day and any other day the empire puts on the calendar to keep the sheep in line, to seriously meditate on our current situation and to find the strength needed to change the self destructive course we are on.
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Aye that !
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I wish it wasn’t so, but I agree with most of what DF said. Well, maybe all of it, on second thought. I always cringe when I read where some kid “… gave his life for our freedom” in some crap hole half a world away where we shouldn’t even be. The government can get away with so much nefarious stuff simply by wrapping it in the flag. People are to predisposed to just salute and never question. If they were really protecting our freedom, or what tattered remains there is of it, those swearing an oath to the Constitution would be in Washington, D.C. and countless state capitals and not somewheres else.
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TRUTH.
I believe just about everyone who goes into the military goes in with the best and most noble of intentions. It’s just that they’re fooled by the expert propaganda. Once they realize it, it’s too late for them – at least for for the duration of time they’ve signed over their lives to the empire
On this day, what I wish for most is peace and an end to the great deception.
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It is unbelievable that we have been at war in Afghanistan and Iraq for ~17 years. And have accomplished nothing. And people were stunned at the length of the Vietnam War. Any president who suggested disbanding our full-time active duty military force and only having a Reserve and/or Guard would be assassinated. Any president who tried to end all our overseas adventuring and close our overseas bases would be assassinated.
DF, as you put it so well, “Respect who was duped into give his life, limbs or mind for a false cause.”
I would never suggest to a young man to enter the military unless he can be sure of not getting into the infantry or otherwise being deployed in a combat role to a third world hellhole. I realize that for many impoverished young men, the military is the way out of poverty, but they should game the system as much as possible to protect their lives and health while getting as much out of it for themselves as they can. Get what they can out of it for 3 years, save money and learn a practical job skill, then get out and go use their GI Bill.
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Ok , ok , No disrespect here , but its time to debunk the military a little bit . The military , has in the past ( especially the Army ) been a dumping ground for misfits . Today is no exception . Generally speaking , the only time you get the best and brightest is when you have conscription . Because people who have other things going for them in the real world , are forced in . With that said , the overwhelming majority of people in the military , DO NOT join for PATRIOTISM . They are there for usually one of two reasons , both of them legit . !. You screwed off in school , didn’t make the grade to get a scholarship . 2. Your a scared 17 – 18 year old kid , right out of high school , with no direction . Signing up gives you 4 years to figure it out . This is what the volunteer military is made up of ( generally speaking ) . Like I said , your a kid that didn’t take school as seriously as you should have ( normal teens ) now you need the GI bill to get your education . Same is true for #2 . While your IN , you get a little more patriotic education from the service itself , but not what you were thinking when you signed up . Another thing seldom spoken of . Again , generally speaking . The Military is like going to Prison , from the standpoint , that for those that are there for TOO long , many times have a very difficult time adjusting to life on the ” outside ” . So they commit another crime , and get sent back in , the military guy just stays in . As said by others , Your country and your government are not the same thing . You in some shithole for your Government , not your country . Not to be rude , but they are not fighting for MY freedom , I don’t need them , I don’t need cops . Why ? Because I’m an armed citizen , I don’t need cops or soldiers . So , save that propaganda , my freedom was never in danger . A person is responsible for their own safety …….period . Life is not safe , and anything that happens , is going to happen regardless of who is on the ground . Another thing , where did these guys THINK they were going to be sent after they signed the paper ? Cancun ? ” Thank you for your service ” Are you serious ! Why should I thank somebody that hasn’t won a war sense 1945 , and joined up in the first place for his own benefit , he didn’t go in for you or me . He made an adult disision , perhaps the first one in his life , for his future , not yours .
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AnonymousYou are a bunch of Anarchists!
Would you prefer to have to fight the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, or maybe even Mexicans as a militia? No air-power? You would be run over in a second. And then you will be slaves or dead. You people have no understanding of reality.
You people make me sick!
Daisy tries to make a forum where non-Christians feel welcome. Well you have made one where Christians feel unwelcome. Now patriotism is unwelcome. Now Law and order is unwelcome. You throw all those things out and civilization is despised. What’s left, anarchy, that’s what.
I’m gone. I won’t have anything to do with Anarchists!!!
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Anarchy simply means without government, absolute freedom, and maybe, just maybe, the end of corporate wars.
It isn’t about mayhem and chaos. It’s about not sending young men over to die in order to enrich the rich people. It’s about not being forced to pay for Obamacare or taxed to fund wars or forcing our will on our neighbors.
Anarchy may have a bad reputation, but with some study, I don’t truly believe it’s a bad thing. I’m not at all insulted by being called an anarchist.
The joy of this group is that we all get to have our own beliefs. I have never, ever been rude to a veteran. My family is made up of them, and I love them dearly. But I would never, ever encourage my own child to join up because I see what the military today is doing and who they’re doing it for. Hint: It isn’t for you and me.
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PS: Not wanting a military that invades the Middle East for decades, killing millions of non-combatants, doesn’t mean that you can’t have a military designed to defend our nation. DEFEND. Not go out and provoke.
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As said by others , Your country and your government are not the same thing
Thanks Tolik, nicely said, because people often mix it up.
Now about feeling not welcomed and anarchist and so on…
One of the most important role of this forum is to write and read DIFFERENT opinions, so I have read opinions that I do not like too, but what with that?
It is life.
And especially in the light of the survivalism and prepping, I think people simply have to be more used to confront themselves with things that they do not like.
You live with it or not.
Actually you can learn lot of things from the people who do not share your opinion, I mean why do most of the people think people who do not share their opinions about life are idiots by default?
Yes, my personal opinion is that this forum should be place where non-Christians are welcomed, just like Christians, or Budhists, or bicycle drivers, or smokers, or non drinkers…
Unless they are offending someone, being rude or similar.
Having different opinion is not rudeness.
About war veterans, I am one of them, and I am not from US or from US Army, actually I am on the first look from very different system and far away from all of you, but I am positive that i am closer to any of US war veterans then to my next door neighbour here who did not experience war.
Again, goverment and country are two completely different words and meanings
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AnonymousI wish there was a way to stop creating them but this world is run on cash, oil, gas, diamonds, gold, fear and intimidation backed by weapons and madmen and women ready to sent others out to use them.
They don’t need wars, they want wars.
The ones running the show will likely never pick up a gun or knife or any real weapon, unless they are sport hunting, but they will sent others people’s children out in a split second. Not their own children who have important college parties to go to and bone spurs to run off (rolling my eyes interdimensionally here).
From my own childhood experience I know that they have no care what happens to them or their family, never have and never will.
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Anonymous@nomoney, I pity you. You believe that your high ideals are so rightful that everyone should live according to them. In reality you have no ideal of your own. You wrap yourself in the flag and hide behind the cross and you live your life as a slave. You call yourself free just because you ignore the weight of the chains you put on yourself. You call yourself a Christian but your faith doesn’t go beyond rejecting other beliefs. You call yourself a patriot but you are no more of a patriot of the German shouting sieg heil in front of the Brandenburg Gate or the Chinese waving Mao’s red book in Tienanmen Square.
Good luck living in your echo chamber. I am afraid that the day will come when you’ll realize how wrong your way was. And it will be too late.
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Its difficult for a lot of people who are patriotic to wrap their heads around the fact that our government is not always the good guys. To be perfectly honest about it… they may seldom be the good guys these days. Our military has been used and abused for quite some time as a political and economic tool to coerce others to do as we say. Well, not as WE say. As the Deep State says. As the MIC says. As the international corporations say. WE have no voice in all this. They do not care what WE say, and if we question them WE are unpatriotic. WE are anarchists and WE do not have a grip on reality. On the contrary. WE have a much better grip on reality than those who are so indoctrinated in “My country right or wrong” that they are unable to see the truth for what it is.
I’m a vet. But I’m no anarchist. Neither were our Founders. They understood that to ensure true freedom and the time and ability to prosper that some amount of government was necessary. What they gave us was a republic, but it was a true liberal republic. Not “liberal” as used today. But free to do you own thing, but not intrude upon the right of your neighbor to do their own thing. The stages of government seem to follow a path from true freedom, anarchy, to true totalitarianism, communism/Nazism. It progresses from anarchy to liberalism to conservatism to socialism to communism/Nazism/dictatorship. Consider where we are now!
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Anarchist no . Constitutionalist YES . Here is the thing . Previous generations that saw war for our nation , at least came back knowing they accomplished something for the things they went through . My father included . ( USAAF 1941-45 ) . They could look back and say , we won . That means something . It really does . Without the win , you have nothing . War is the most base , brutal waste ever conceived , and the face of it has not changed sense we set foot out of the cave . The US Constitution says we must declare war . When we do not , and put these people in that kind of situation . They can’t deep down inside , justify , or even make peace with themselves , as to WHY they had to go through that . In the end , they know , it was all for nothing ! They use patriotism as a tool to try to come to grips with it . It doesn’t work , they know it was for nothing . Patriotism is not the status quo , if our forefathers were for the status quo , and did not question , we would still be British . Patriotism is calling out your government . Patriotism is not making your soldiers lives cheap , by conditioning the public to apathy , from constant war . You read about a soldier getting killed somewhere , people feel neutral . They don’t think its good , but its much like reading about a cop or fireman that died in the line of duty . Neutral ” Well that sucks , whats for lunch ? ” . The government did that to us . Instead of outrage , we feel neutrality , because of perpetual war . Somebody gets butt hurt , about a person daring to question , then they might need to leave , to a more narrow minded forum . The party line being questioned , is disturbing . Fight the Russians ?! , Really ? Congratulations , your still a victim of Cold War propaganda . The Russians would have a hard time dealing with France and Germany at this point . Anti Christian ? Really? If reactive response to any questions is all you can muster , then your no better than the Muslim that blows up a bus stop , because Mohammed got questioned . I’ve met all three , and of the three , it seems like the Jews have the least difficulty in accepting that people have a right to believe what they want to . Back to the subject . Beware of propaganda . There is nothing mystic about the military , it is what it is . They DO have air cover , etc. etc. …………….against people without …….and we are still waiting for the win . Washington has made their lives cheap ……….you good with that ? I’m not .
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What a great discussion here. There’s really a lot to think about with the depth of these answers.
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Anonymous<span style=”font-size: 120%;”>Why Anarchy Won’t Work</span>
Who pushes anarchy today?
Immanuel Kant defines anarchy as “law and freedom without force”. Force in this instance is law enforcement and an effective military. In simpler terms, anarchists are those who advocate self-governed societies based on voluntary institutions. In other terms, do away with government altogether.
Laws might as well not exist if there is no law enforcement because humans will not obey laws that are not enforced. This is self-evident in illegal immigration and non-enforcement of immigration laws by sanctuary cities.
Many people simply will not obey laws where there is no punishment for breaking the law. It is human nature to do what one wants (basically sinful and self-centered) and if that means breaking some law, then so be it. This is self-evident when driving on freeways. Those individuals who drive the speed limit or below had better drive in the right lane or they may be run over.
Selco says this about human nature:
Once when that layer of society is gone because of whatever reason, what you get is human nature, which can be very bad and it usually sticks with most primitive instincts and needs.
It may not seem like it to you, but when things get really, really hard, when everything gets stripped down to very basic survival and to acquiring resources, most of the people are the same anywhere in the world.
Without law enforcement, as imperfect as it is, there will be no deterrent (punishment) for any crime. The world will be chaos, i.e. complete disorder. The criminal class, free from all restrains, will run rampant. Murder, rape, slavery, theft, cruelty, will become the norm, not the exception. Vigilante justice could begin rather quickly in an effort to stop this crime wave and that could lead to civil war.
How did we get to this place where there is so much disrespect for punishment? Partly it comes from the failure to sufficiently punish children. Small deprivations, “time out”, are simply not enough to teach many small children the concept of punishment. History shows that corporal punishment works on most small children. Small children understand pain, but they can’t understand a minor deprivation like a “time out”. If children don’t learn respect and punishment at a young age, they likely will not understand it at an older age, but simply see it as an unnecessary cruelty. In this case they won’t learn self-discipline.
This lack of self-discipline is self-evident in our society. Just look at obesity. My personal obesity is only one example of many.
The growing disrespect for police in our society is the direct result of our not learning respect for our parents and other care givers as small children. “Spare the rod and spoil the child” has been known as a valid concept for thousands of years, but we have largely abandoned that time tested truism for less effective methods.
This has resulted from a misunderstanding, or denial, of fundamental human nature. Humans aren’t born with an instinct for following rules. We must be taught what rules are, what rules affect us as children and later as adults. We must be taught respect for rules, laws, the concept of punishment for that failure and that punishment will be applied for the failure to comply with those rules.
In my personal case, my health is adversely affected my obesity. If I were a proper weight for my age and height, ate right and exercised, I could expect to live 5 years longer, maybe even 10 or 20 years longer than I will given my current lifestyle.
The statement “if it feels good do it” the most corrupt statement ever uttered by a human being. Many people enjoy killing, rape, theft, cruelty, self-destructive recreational drug use and breaking other rules of civil society.
Many people today reject the Christian religion because they can’t or won’t face the eternal punishment of going to Hell. So they are now trying to destroy the Christian religion because of this fundamental truth.
Many people do not recognize that human nature makes all dictators evil. All dictators, of both the political left and the political right. Citizens have few, if any, rights under a dictator. Dictatorship is what is known as the “rule of man”. The rules are what the dictator says they are and he can change them at any moment he chooses.
Many people today have been led to believe that socialism will be Utopia. It won’t be. The same thing is said about communism. That the state will wither away and become Utopia. In all human experience the neither the socialist nor the communist state has withered away. No dictator will ever willingly give up his power. Power is the most addictive thing there is for humans.
The political left in this country is actively attempting to eradicate all respect for law and order so that the most successful country in the history of humankind can be destroyed. Why? So the failed concepts socialism and communism can replace it. Why, because they have been fooled.
Immanuel Kant defines anarchy as “law and freedom without force”. Force in this instance is law enforcement and an effective military. Without an effective military America will be invaded by other countries. Countries that do not respect individual freedom, like Russia China, Iran and others. Without a government and an effective military force America will be destroyed and Americans will be killed or made slaves.
Look at the beginnings of the Soviet Union. The Russian czar and his family were murdered, his government failed and the communists took over. Does anybody think the citizens of the Soviet Union were free? Support
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AnonymousI did some quick refresh on anarchism. I am not an expert by a long shot so take what I say with a grain of salt.
The meaning of anarchy is “without a hierarchy” often generalized in without a leadership, government. While in human history there has been examples of societies without a government of sort, they are uncommon. In any group of people some kind of hierarchy is established sooner or later. So, at some point the meaning of anarchy became more that of a society not governed by a state, a society in which the people choose the way they want to be governed. No kings, queens, presidents imposing their powers but a government created by the people to serve their needs.
Does that sounds familiar? If it does is because, under that interpretation of anarchism, our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are anarchist documents. They reject the rule of a king and “We the People” create a government with set rules to have “a more perfect union.” The original federal government was limited in powers and functions and a subject of the people.
Now, why anarchy is so often used in a negative way? Because it means opposition to central governments so it is anathema for the people in power. What is the argument against it? Anarchy would bring chaos and disorder. Why? Because the government is the source of order and law; since anyone wants order, everyone wants a government. True, but the point is that a neighbor patrol would be able to control crime as well as the state police does (or do better.) A community could hire a garbage collector, no need of a city administrator for that. More to the point of this thread, people could defend themselves without a national army.
@nomoney asks how could we defend against powerful enemies with just a militia. What she forget is that those powerful enemy are so powerful because they had to respond to our own power. After WWII, the USSR was to its knees after loosing 20-26M people and having put all their resources into the war effort. They had to build a nuclear arsenal and a powerful military because we had one and our politicians were not friendly to them despite some advances from Stalin. Same, but in smaller measure, can be said for China. For what concerns North Korea, having lost 20% of their population and having their country bombed to the stone age, they are probably right to be weary of the old good USA. Iran has its own issues that go back to the CIA coup against Mossadeq and decades of tyrannical rule by the USA friendly Reza Pahlavi. So, we could easily conclude that if our government would have pursued more friendly policies toward other countries instead of using an unconstitutional military to impose itself on the world scene, we would not have to worry about defending ourselves. Unless we are afraid of Canadians and Mexicans.
So, maybe @nomoney is right. I am an anarchist. One who wants a government that is subject to the people. Who wants his representatives to answer to him and not to the power of money. Who wants a military for the defense of the country not for waging continuous wars. Who wants his freedom respected as he respects others’. Who believes that the Constitution is a sacred document and that has to be respected. Who do not want to live a lie just because it is more comfortable than reality.
Maybe we need more anarchy in this country to get it back to what it was supposed to be. Not easy job to do considered all the bad reputation and habits we have accumulated over the years.
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Agreed, Dark Future.
As for a lack of respect, it’s my respect for other human beings, regardless of the outfit they’re wearing, that is important. I am not rude to police officers, members of the military, or politicians, but I certainly don’t think they’re inherently “better” than me. What my children were taught is to be courteous to everyone and to always respect themselves first. I guess our family philosophy is more, “If something does NOT feel right, don’t do it.”
It’s interesting how my desire not to impose my will on others is seen by some as a terrible thing. It’s interesting how my sympathy for members of the military who are forever damaged by the quest to enrich others with oil and power is seen as something unpatriotic.
But that’s the joy of a forum. We all get to have our own opinions. It’s important to respect that too.
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@DF,
I am not a dupe.
Nor is my wife.
Nor are any of those of us who have served.
Take a long walk off a tall cliff, and hug the rocks below.
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Anonymous@crowbar, if you have something constructive to say, speak up, otherwise you’d better keep your mouth shut because your post is just insulting and, I must say, disproving your own assertion.
In my experience, when people cannot articulate an idea, they just prove that they are indoctrinated beyond reason or live in a complete delusion.
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@DF,
My response was spot on.
If you would not of been so insulting to the millions of those of us who have served, I would not have posted it in the first place.
Have a nice day.
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AnonymousI think this article explains things much better than any of us can.
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Guys, we can have a discussion about the fact that there’s something wrong in the world without directly insulting one another.
I can understand why Crow Bar was insulted, Dark Future. And although I agree with the idea of moving toward a more non-interventionist policy with our military and I agree that our military is being used to enrich the wealthy, as I mentioned before, I sincerely believe that most people who join do so with the best of intentions.
Please try and keep the discussion civil, okay?
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Anonymous@crowbar, served who? Answer that question if you can. Give me one example of a war that served the American people. Give me one example showing that the military defended the country. Give me one example that show that the lives spent brought us a better world.
You might take issue with me saying that people have been duped into serving the empire but the alternative is way worse. The alternative is that you are convinced that what you did was right and that the order you followed were legal and obeying the Constitution. If that’s the case, you indirectly answer a question I posted a while ago. Semper FI for you mean loyalty to the Marines and the empire not to the American people.
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Anonymous@daisy, I do understand why @crowbar would feel offended, I do. But at the same time I believe that to break this absurd loop in which we are stuck, action is needed from both the civilian and the military. As long as the civilian will continue with the “we support our troop” BS, no one in the military will have the courage to step up and say “that’s enough.”
I do understand that people might join for a sense of patriotism (and ignorance of history). What I do not accept is that people after seeing what they saw stick to the story. Yes, it can be just a form of protecting themselves from a hard reality. But that way to act is just costing more lives and more suffering. How many would be alive today if we had learned the lesson of Korea and Vietnam? The government can implement its deadly policies only if we allow them. If we supply the tools to do it. And those tools are the lives, blood, limbs and mind of our children.
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I’m a vet same as Crowbar. Currently only about 0.04% of Americans are on active duty and only 7.3% of living Americans have ever served in their lifetimes according to stats I read recently. Thats a fairly small percentage out of 330,000,000 Americans, I would say. I joined because I was sick of school and didn’t plan on moving on to college just yet. I had a long family history of military service, and I was getting drafted anyway due to the undeclared war in Viet Nam. I was also seeking a bit of excitement. I joined the Navy and really did get to see a lot of the world. No regrets. I am still in touch almost daily with shipmates and we are all proud of our service and treasure our time together. Vets of all branches have a very special bond that I couldn’t begin to explain to someone who has not gone through that experience. Ask Selco. We would get along, he and I. I was not duped into serving. To me it was a right of passage. It was expected. Did I enjoy it? Mostly, hell no! It was like a crappy chore you have to do and feel all received once it was completed. But its always there, and not a day passes that I don’t think about it.
If we were poorly used it does in no way diminish the honorable service of the men and women that took that oath. I imagine we vets are more angry than anyone over the abuse and misuse those serving now suffer at the whims of politicians, central bankers, international corporations, and globalists to achieve their ends with no concern for those doing the bleeding. It is what it is, and I just have no answer about how to fix it without a total re-boot.
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Anonymous@jamesmitchner, I wish I had an answer about how to fix it and as you I reach the conclusion that a total reboot is needed and soon. A part of me still hope that we can avoid the cost of a complete reset. Maybe, just maybe, if more veterans would tell their story, the real one as you just told us, we could change things. Maybe some young men and women would not enlist. Maybe some active duty people would say “No sir, your order goes against the oath I took.”
When antiwar speech come from people who have no military experience it is way too often shut down as unpatriotic, communist, enemy’s talking head. It would be much harder to do that to a decorated vet, an amputee, or the surviving spouse and children of a soldier. Would finally tell people that war is not patriotic and that a true patriot is a person who stands against his corrupted government, not the person who supinely serves it.
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No argument from me on any of that comment DF. I think what would have an even greater impact is for veterans’ organizations like the VFW, American Legion, the Purple Heart Assoc., and the VNA to speak out against this misuse of our treasured resource for the financial gain of a few. But they will not simply because it would destroy the myth that all this blood was to preserve out freedom and democracy. It would render asunder the paradigm they have made for themselves.
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AnonymousLet’s not talk about a Reset. Nearly 300 million would die in the US alone. 90% of the world population would cost billions of human lives. Such a Rest would not get rid of the super rich anyway. Many of the new super rich are already prepared. It’s a safe bet the the traditional super rich have had shelters since the 1950s cold war days and they probably have 100 years of food stored. You can bet that the super rich would be back in charge in short order.
A population reduction is part of the Progressive’s plan and I sincerely hope you guys are not progressives.
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I see the passion and everyone has good points and well written by and large, which I appreciate. And NM, that is an excellent article. That guy puts out a lot of great stuff. Selco, glad to see you active in a topic.
As JM touched on, a lot of vets do experience a bond that is hard to fathom unless you’ve been in those shoes. Kinda like the wife describing childbirth to the husband. The husband with all his compassion, empathy, love, etc. will not KNOW that experience, ever. But, some mother halfway around the world that may have very little in common with said wife otherwise, will have that experience of childbirth. And if the two were to ever meet, they would have that as a strong baseline at the very least. There’s lots of circumstances in life like that and I think most vets recognize it as such. Nobody wants to admit they were duped into anything especially in something like military service that can demand so much so often. And like so many issues, it’s really not that cut and dry anyway. Both military and civilians tend to take a myopic view of the way things should or shouldn’t be.
It seems to me all too often .mil is looked at with blinders on. As in the military is some kind of semi-autonomous entity that that operates in relative isolation from the rest of .gov. It is not and does not, in my opinion. I think it is a military industrial complex in the truest spirit of the phrase. There’s the commander in chief to the local civilian that cleans the offices on some base and so much in between that it would fill volumes. In there, somewhere, is the military certainly. I believe the MIC bigger, more intertwined, and convoluted today than it ever was when Ike brought it to the forefront. From what I’ve seen the positions of E-7 and above and O-5 and above, are far more politician than soldier, and the highest ranks are politicians, plain and simple.
If it ever comes to it, I think it will not be the military vs the people, it will be the MIC fighting for its’ survival, defending its’ existence however it sees fit. I don’t think the U.S. military, as a whole, would ever turn on its’ people. In fact, I don’t really believe most rank and file would want to or be able to. Not that some wouldn’t, I think some would. With that said, the MIC could do much more damage, much easier and much swifter behind a cloak of legitimacy that a pure military operation would/could hope to get away with so easily. I believe the MIC poses a far greater threat than .mil alone.
Step back, let the emotions wane and consider who really has your best interest at heart from a macro view. You may change your perspective. In this case, we have a still relatively transparent .mil or the MIC, of which large parts aren’t even as visible, let alone accessible to the public.
I believe a “reboot” is on it’s way or maybe it’s already started and this subject matter will be a major player.
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I don’t wish for it but it would be foolish not to prepare for something like that.
Think how fragile world is now, how many ways it could go wrong, more than likely more than one thing at a time and you realize how lucky or by God’s grace we have made it so far.
If you believe in religion each has the ending of this world, even the god called science says so ice ages meteor impacts ect.
Live with no fear knowing there is a place for you in afterlife, do your duty and be a good steward of the time and resources given you. Ignoring a big potential problem is not being a good steward.
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Good points, all. With regard to the propensity of the public to hold the military in such high regard, it has always been that way as far as I know between a nation’s populace and its warriors, likely from even the pre-history period. I read an article some years ago on this subject – public adoration of their “warrior class” – that I found interesting and thought provoking from a societal perspective. The author surmised that in the US, it’s warrior class includes active military, public safety, and professional athletes. There may be some validity to the author’s claims when one considers the overall high public regard for those in these occupations today.
The wealthy, at least some of them, have certainly taken the necessary precautions regarding emergency preparedness and built for themselves and their families well-provisioned safe retreats. I would have as well if I could have afforded it! But as they are hunkered down while the big die off occurs, exactly who will they be in charge of when its over? If they can afford a full-time security detail, remember…. those security personnel have families, too. What would stop the security detail from just taking it all over…. human nature being what it is? As DB can probably attest to, the best laid battle plan seldom survives the first contact with the enemy. I suspect if our fears come to fruition, those who are starving will find the means to root out some of the hunkered down wealthy!
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Wow! I was looking for a different forum, but I stumbled upon this forum. After reading through several times, I was amused, perplexed and angered.
First, I will get the anger out. As 20+ military , both enlisted and officer, I was angered by @tolik‘s characterization of military members as “misfits” who didn’t take high school serious and had no other options. I graduated high school top 5%, top1% on ACT, 99%on ASVAB, and MENSA. I like the vast majority of my basic training class we’re not screw ups or misfits without other opportunities.</pIn the service, I excelled. The vast majority of veterans I know excelled and are proud of our service. Personally, I went from E-1 to O-5. I retired earlier than I had hoped. I was tapped for general ranks. Yes, I was injured overseas and bled for this country. If asked, I would do it again. I stayed because I believed in having some of the brightest there. I helped craft policy and saved lives, both military and civilian.</p>
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I am also not a sheep. If I took the advice of @Molly Malone and others above, I would have been a sheep and sold my attributes to the highest bidder and never entered the service. Lol. Like many of my military brothers and sisters, HONOR DUTY COUNTRY are not just hallow words. You would never understand a friend of mine who on 9/11 launched her F-16 (along with another higher ranking officer). Without the necessary weapons to shoot down, they planned on ramming the airliner, if necessary. Why? To save all of your ungrateful people as I am sure you would do the same? Lol. @Molly Maline and@DF would have been running the other way to save themselves. Why did three young elisted members jump a wannabe terrorist on French train? Why did I spend numerous years on deployments to Bosnia and the Persian Gulf? So could make a difference. HONOR DUTY COUNTRY.</p>
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I would live to live in a peaceful society where we didn’t need a standing military. Many a thesis has been written on the need for a standing military. Sorry, just not going to happen. We need a military, both active and reserve.</p>
Having served part of my pre-9/11 career in the National Guard, I have also participated in various national disasters. Yes, those misfits go out and put their lives on the line to help their fellow citizens in times of natural disasters and war. I dropped many pallets of relief aid in countries torn apart by war and natural disasters.I could write so much more. I will simply say I am proud to have served. I would suggest that upon meeting a vet, the best thing you can do is say, “Thank you are your service.”
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This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by
Loving Life.
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Anonymous@lovinglife, what stands out in your writing is: “I was tapped for general ranks.” That tells me you are a politician, someone who drink his cool-aid and kiss his superior asses to advance.
The simple fact that you do not address any of the issues that even veterans rise but just repeat the old slogans says enough about how you think, or don’t.
And do not dare to call me a coward. I would die for my country, for my land, for my people. But I refuse to blindly serve a government who endangers our lives with questionable and unconscionable actions. And from the high pulpit where you put yourself, try to explain where the honor is in killing people who have never done anything to you, or how it serves our country.
Since you cite 9/11, were where those interceptors? Story goes that they were scrambled in the wrong direction. And you want me to believe that someone jump into an F-16 and go airborn without authorization?
The next time you see a taxpayer the best thing you can do is say, “Thank you for paying for my pension.”
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Not a politician here, but please get the gender right. I am a she. Generals do not have to be male. I did not drink the kool-aid.
You have the right to believe what you want, but I will disagree and certainly correct factual mischaracterizations.
If you do your research, you would understand history and the military much better. Around 10 am on September 11, two DC Air National Guard F16s launched from Joint Base Andrews. One of these two planes was piloted by my friend, Heather “Lucky Penney. The planes were not armed with missiles. If necessary, the pilots intended to ram any hostiles. I have heard the entire story from Heather and the other pilot Marc. You may read the entire account in the September 11 Commission Report. The Washington Post plus other news organizations have published the accounts.
No, I won’t use your response. I will keep with my standard, “Thank you. I am proud to have served.”
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@Loving Life,
Classy to the last.
I sent you a PM.
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Okay, this has gotten too ugly and has devolved into personal attacks – something I don’t want on this forum.
CLOSED.
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