August 13, 2019 at 8:44 am #21529
August 13, 2019 at 5:40 pm #21534
Stay with the M6 scout .
August 14, 2019 at 12:48 am #21537
Well considering that the M6 is running between $550 and $1100 on gunbroker, there’s the first reason no.
I have been running a Savage/Stevens 24 for more years than I want to think about. I will be blunt, even in its much improved use from the M6, it falls into the “foraging” category. Only.
It is highly dependent upon where you are as to what is the most effective and useful for survival. Back in the midwest where I grew up, the 24 was useful and yet didn’t get that much use compared to real “.22’s” and real shotguns, 20, 16 and 12ga.
And .410 shotshells are really only useful for ‘sluicing’ birds on the ground. Hitting anything on the wing is for experts and stunts. And the slugs are a joke for accuracy and power. My light .41 Magnum load out of a 4″ wheelgun was more accurate and powerful. I checked.
The TNW guns, I kind of laughed at when I first saw them at Shot Show. And bluntly I was being overly critical and not accepting them as a major improvement on the Uzi and Thompson clones I was comparing them to.
But two or three .45’s or 9mm’s at 100y are a heck of a lot better for gathering meat on the hoof than anything the Scout can provide. And up close and personal, 10-33 rounds best the heck out of one and one.
And as the TNW guns share some parts and handling with the AR rifles, I hate to admit it but they do make sense.
August 14, 2019 at 6:00 am #21538
True , but considering , there are any number of firearms that could easily fit that role . Why buy a ” survival ” rife at all , when most of us already have one . Any one of my folding AKs would be just fine , or any folding AR as well . I think calling it a “survival ” rife is not much more than a sales tactic . If you look at it , its not a true survival rifle , like the Henry or M6 . I would be hesitant to buy one of their products , but if a person wants a true SHTF firearm , actually designed with a doomsday in mind . Then that one Chiappa puts out , with a roll of adapters , making it compatible with any ammo type you can scrounge , Is a true survival firearm . Have to give them credit for thinking .
August 14, 2019 at 7:58 am #21541
I like the overall concept.
Not sure I would buy one.
There are a few others I have seen out there.
August 14, 2019 at 10:56 am #21550
Hunting after will be quiet snares and traps or supressed. Large bang and everyone comes. Ammo better saved for defense. That being said a .22 can harvest deer all day under 100 yards but you better be good enough to brain pan them.
With 410 I was out at our blood/gut pit and ran into a black bear that did not get hint to leave 410 slug took him down one shot heart/lung shot. It staggered for about 100 feet then drooped but have had that happen with a 30-06 with soft nose aswell.
With single shot you best place your shot well with savage. It’s good for teaching control to new hunters.
For small things like grouse rabbit and pheasant I carry a good slingshot and a single arrow with a bunny buster tip. I use a whisker biscuit in the center of y and then aI’m and shoot. Most shots under 20 feet 80 percent kill with rock or arrow. Yes you do lose arrows make sure you get bright ones.
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August 14, 2019 at 11:12 am #21552
One shot, can you really tell from what direction and how far it was?
I cannot. And I live in a very rural, hunting area.
.22 or .25 caliber air rifle is a better choice.
Even some of the larger bore air rifles are quieter than PBs.
August 14, 2019 at 5:34 pm #21564
Many moons ago , thats how I learned to shoot . With a pellet gun , got darn good with it , and yes , it does force you to concentrate on your shot . Then I got a tad bit taller , and graduated to a 22 and bolt action 410 lol . Very good teaching tools .
August 15, 2019 at 12:44 am #21576
The concept of something that potentially uses the same mags as your sidearm is handy. And quieter.
Again, there’s definitely a locality for its use. In Iowa where I grew up, honestly a good .22 rifle and half a dozen .22 pills to the lungs will provide dinner. One to the ‘brainpan’ is certainly better but you do what you have to do.
Is a folding AK better? Maybe. But nowadays we are talking about $500+ again, if you can build your own.
Everyone has their own perfect survival rifle, and it’s generally different for each location.
Tolik, compare Maine to Arizona, different needs? Because I can say that eastern and western Colorado are different, let alone Iowa and Wyoming.
I still have the 24, but it hasn’t been used in the field since we got here. Used twice in CO, missed a dove, got a rabbit.
I thought long and hard about the M6, both the SA and the CZ versions, and they were less efficient than the 24 I had.
Are they playing to a market, certainly. Is it a bad choice? 25+ years ago I would have thought so, but more recently I have been dropping back into the poachers mindset. And unlike what was available back then, what is available today including the TNW is light years ahead.
My little .300 BO for example, discussing it with one of the old timers, he was practically drooling over the possibilities.
Certainly most of us who expect more than just financial hardships would prefer more, but at the same time, a single package that can protect and feed? In two different calibers?
We are on the same page, just different paragraphs.
August 15, 2019 at 12:52 am #21577
Last year I not only pointed out the direction but the distance and caliber of the guns being fired.
But these are the hazards of shooting on a preserve, towards campsites, in the general direction of someone who could have hit you with the .45 on his hip. Who saw you arrive.
The deputy was called by someone else, I just aided in his search. Bullets going over my head makes me a trifle annoyed. Over the family, well they are probably lucky that someone called them in, I did have a sharp knife along.
August 15, 2019 at 6:04 am #21578
Never overlook pawn shops . I got one of my AKs for about $300 . Nothing was wrong with it , except that it was never ever cleaned by who owned it last . So much carbon build up , but the parts were in good working order ( I field stripped it on the counter ) . Took an hour to clean it up at home , but it turned out to be a great rifle . $ 500. really isn’t that much for a battle rifle these days . I predict another scare coming , and prices to artificially sky rocket because of the usual fear mongering . Lot cheaper things out there , yes , but your going to get stuck with a bolty , or something else , less desirable . Remember folks , bite the bullet and spend the money , bolt actions , lever actions , shotguns will always be easily available . Battle rifles , get while the getting is good .
August 15, 2019 at 8:05 am #21588
I am talking about you are outside, and someone takes a shot at a deer.
Aside from, “Somewhere over there,” can you really say with any degree of certainty the exact direction and distance?
A few years ago, the wife and I were sitting on the back deck, and I was texting my “neighbor.” He lives about a mile and a half down the road. At the time he was literally sitting in his deer stand texting me, as sundown was about 20 minutes away, and he invited us over to grill out, figuring he was about done for the day. The wife and I were discussing what to bring over with us, when we heard a shot.
The only thing I could say for sure was it came from my neighbors general direction.
Sure enough, it was him.
But had I not known that, all I got was “it came from somewhere west. Maybe northwest-ish.”
August 17, 2019 at 2:51 pm #21649
Crow Bar, again it depends on where you are.
East of town, there are areas that you can almost give a compass bearing. The other directions, it varies. And thats one shot.
Back where I grew up, out in the timber or corn fields, it was a lot more difficult (almost impossible) between the echoes and dampening by leaves. Which made it much easier for the poachers. There and then, nobody had threaded muzzles, except the novice poachers. Being a shotgun only state for deer, you didn’t see rifles in the field except for the few people who went after groundhogs. But everyone had a .22 and shotgun. Threaded muzzles stood out like day-glo under a black light. And as nobody had cans (legally), the threaded muzzle was a dead giveaway.
Where was I going with that? That takedown 9/45 is enough quieter than a .223/308 to make it highly useful especially in an area where the locals are going to call DOW the first shot they hear. And the takedown features make it even easier to hide away from prying eyes.
I decide to pop one of the deer on my way home, taking the long way around town. The 9/45 is enough quieter that I can just shoot out of the passenger window and the people not a mile away won’t call the Sheriff/Police and I could come back and pick it up later. A proper rifle is gonna attract unwanted attention. That theres a rifle range two miles south does help negate people’s interest. Blending in.
Tolik, the last couple of times I saw AK’s and name brand AR’s in the “local” pawn shops, they started at $500 and went up. And those were the beaters. Good stuff, overpriced and also listed on the internet.
August 17, 2019 at 3:18 pm #21652
along with this getting some salt blocks for after shft helps keep larder full. After its not a sport it is survival different rules and those who fail or take too long to adapt will suffer and maybe perish.
With the sizing tool whirl mentioned is a god send for tight grouping and damage output of a .22 worth the $400
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August 17, 2019 at 3:28 pm #21654
Tolik, you will note that I was the one who posted the Roll your own AK.
Do I believe that most people “need” an AK/AR? I say that it depends. My 80yo mother could handle the TNW gun but a full size/power AK/AR is beyond her skill, ability and interest. Would she be any less protected with the TNW that she can handle? She’s not going to be storming the Reichstag just protecting her home.
In the case of the TNW, for a lot of people, the TNW is a viable replacement for the AR/AK. They don’t need the power of the larger guns. They don’t need the range of the larger guns. These styles are the modern version of the M1 Carbine. For those people who don’t need a full power gun and can’t handle a pistol well, like mom.
August 17, 2019 at 3:34 pm #21655
Get bags of salt (minerals) not the blocks. The deer and other critters will eat the dirt/ground around the salt block rather than munch/lick it.
Salt piles melt into the ground and are less conspicuous than the blocks. Saw a number of poachers get caught by shooting over blocks. The DOW guys had seen the blocks and just waited.
Piles of fruit like apples also work well for ‘baiting’ deer. Doughnuts/pastries work well for bears.
August 17, 2019 at 10:54 pm #21656
Whirl I have cattle so no worries on the blocks after shft a block is not going to be an issue and they last alot longer than loose salt. A 10kg block of salt is like $ 6-8 a block at farm store sat at whole sale is $12 for the white death.
I get the consealment of it melted into ground…. but it kills the grasses it’s poured on and for me I want the deer moose and elk to be in my field before I take them. Otherwise can’t use tractor to process them.
We plant sweet pea (did terrible this year) at the fencing for them to forrage. For bears…. well they just wander in every once in awhile to snack on whatever is handy. Not fond of bear meat though with pork it does make decent sausages.
August 18, 2019 at 9:41 am #21669
LOL funny you should say that . Many years ago my grandfather shot a black bear . The meat was very stringy , he felt that the only good thing for it , was to make jerky out of it . In that form , it wasn’t bad .
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