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  • #25138

    log man
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    I received this book at Christmas. I have read most of it now and I find some opinions expressed that are concerning to me.

    If I understand it correctly, the author suggests that the killing will start very quickly after a grid down happens, if it happens. Like within a day or less. The author states that lots of people now know that a grid down event is possible and how to determine if it actually is a grid down. I figured that the killing wouldn’t start for 3 or 4 days, when people actually start running out of food. That would give many/most people a chance to walk home before the killing starts. I know that walking home with a pack or something makes you a target but I figured there would be at least 3 days before the panic set in and the killing started.

    What do you think?

  • #25139

    John Park
    Participant

    I agree with you. Certainly there will be outliers – such as the inner city in those bad areas where people are already predisposed to crime. Likewise the highway if it is such an effective EMP that it actually kills the cars. People in that sudden parking lot will likely lose their minds.
    When it comes to travel, I think getting out on the smaller highways is the way to go IF you have a functioning car, and avoid all towns.
    If on foot or bicycle, I would head out as soon as you can, and stick to back roads away from any people. Possibly travel by night.
    In the first week or so, I think you might consider seeking shelter for the night at a church of synagogue.
    After 10 days or (if not sooner – I’d love to hear what others think) I would likely transition to traveling along train tracks and the service roads that run along the bottom of power lines (and the clear cuts that are made for those lines).

    Also, when anywhere near population areas, I would quickly transition to traveling at night and holing up during the day.

    I know I have said it elsewhere, but I would use google maps to plan out my bug out route and print it out. I’d use back roads, train tracks, power lines, hiking and snow mobile trails (many of which are online) I’d suggest setting google maps to walking, and then rechecking the route via biking, so it incorporates those options.

    Just my 2 cents.

    • #25151

      log man
      Participant

      I’ve never walked a power line right of way, but I have walked a pipeline right of way. Don’t know about anywhere else, but here pipelines can be fenced across and animals grazed on that land. Houses are built closer than I would be comfortable with too. So, if you plan to walk a pipeline, you’ll have to climb a lot of fences and watch out for the bulls.

      While I have never walked a power line I know one where the houses back right up to the right of way. There is one house that has put a garden actually on the right of way, but less than one half the way across.

      So, unless you are in a rural area, you may find people and stuff in the way.

  • #25140

    namelus
    Participant

    Depends where you live, what time of month it is, regional.issue or shft?

    Killing would still continue ad it never really stops will just excellerate once the deterent of juducal system is no longer in play.

     

    Once they release inmates that’s when it will go pear shaped.

  • #25152

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    I think the author might need to get out more.

    Would there be people, generally criminals, who would take advantage of the situation (i.e. power outage)?
    Of course.

    The average American? Very doubtful.

    And why would the average American start shooting/killing people within 24hrs? How would they know it was a grid down event? How would anyone determine it was a grid down event? That is where I think those on the fringes in the first place might start spreading rumors or behaving badly. It is not like my elderly retired couple are going to come over and shoot me and the wife, just because the grid has been down for 24hrs.

    4 or 5 days, those people who generally scoff at those who keep a well supplied pantry and have nothing but 4 or 5 days of food on hand, they might start to get desperate.
    But how many of them have guns or the willingness to use them at that point? Get 2 or 3 weeks of grid down, then I could start to see it.

    • #25154

      log man
      Participant

      The author mentions the most likely indicators of a grid down: power is out, cell phone doesn’t work, land line dead, radios don’t work or has no stations on air, car won’t start. He also mentions the more severe stuff that may or may not happen: passenger jets falling out of the air, power line transformers blowing up, power line wires melting. If these last 2 happen, I expect that your unshielded appliances and electronics could catch fire and possibly your house could catch on fire.

      I suppose the best way to be sure is to get one (you have more than one, right?) of your emergency radios out its emp shielded container and see what news you can get. Be sure to check the noaa weather stations and the shortwave frequencies too.

    • #25157

      Crow Bar
      Keymaster

      The author mentions the most likely indicators of a grid down: power is out, cell phone doesn’t work, land line dead,

      We tend to get those during a power outage anyways up here during snow/ice storms. Dont have a land line so cannot speak to that one.

      radios don’t work or has no stations on air, car won’t start. He also mentions the more severe stuff that may or may not happen: passenger jets falling out of the air, power line transformers blowing up, power line wires melting. If these last 2 happen, I expect that your unshielded appliances and electronics could catch fire and possibly your house could catch on fire.

      That sounds more like an EMP vs grid down. One can cause the other, but the grid being down would not cause airplanes to fall out of the sky or my truck not to start.

  • #25153

    Tolik
    Participant

    Third world immigrants would be better prepared to deal with it , as that was their natural habitat .

    • #25160

      Crow Bar
      Keymaster

      Right.

      One of our teams was out in Sar-e-Pol ran into a old man. The old man remarked on their “new uniforms” (through a translator). They asked what did he mean. He thought they were Soviets, in new uniforms.

  • #25162

    Tolik
    Participant

    He was correct , they ARE soviets in different uniforms . Same outcome in the end , different invader .

  • #25164

    namelus
    Participant

    What I could see is there are opertunity groups once they knew grid down they would “gather supplies” If you are in wrong spot who knows.

     

    Out here nothing would change much as everyone had back up gens including village. Problem would be fuel after a week. There are several. Local micro hydro dams which could be localized for micro grid use if transformers are ok.

     

    You don’t think some entitled person would shoot someone at gas station when sports car has no gas and the credit cards don’t work?  We live in place where gun play happens over a chicken sandwhich. People honking and line up as cars run put of fuel or don’t work…

    Imagine how mad when can’t get hotel or food or cash and in beginning cash will still be accepted. Not like people would not steal and when nothing happens it accelerates. How many non prepper do you know that have cash on hand enough for how long a day a week a month?

     

  • #25165

    Crow Bar
    Keymaster

    Read the synopsis on Amazon.
    Now I understand it is supposed to be a post EMP attack.
    The author needs to read Ted Koppel’s Lights Out book for a better understanding of what a grid down situation looks like. Mr. Koppel also discusses how a cyber attack on our grid would be a high pay off, low risk, and hard to prove without substantial evidence. A missile launch would be detected not only by the US but other countries as well. Even if launched from a sea going container ship, there would be the ship as evidence itself, where it was coming from, and other paper trails.
    However, removing all that, and sticking with the base premise, if it is a good read, by all means.

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